I’ve decided to leave this forum. I’m not posting anymore pictures of my Chaos Dwarf army as I model it. The people here have shown that this is a completely unwelcoming environment and that if you have any contrasting viewpoints to people in “mod/admin” positions, they will lock your topic and claim it was too heated or unproductive. That’s not the type of forum I want to be a part of/post on, and I thought the people who’ve created this forum would like to know why someone would leave.
Tommy H, for the record, “Chaos Dwarfs are not Dwarfs”, and “Chaos Dwarfs are not magically-resistant”, and “They didn’t get the bonus in previous editions” were the same recycled arguments that were being said over and over. None of them had legs to stand on. Chaos Dwarfs are definitely dwarfs, as proven repeatedly. Chaos Dwarfs are magically resistant as is proven in all the fluff and all over the wiki. Previous edition rules hold no precedent as GW changes the rules ALL the time.
The heat came from one side, and that was Servius, Tommy H, and Hashut’s Blessing, and only those 3. Tommy H didn’t even read the whole thread, because he would’ve notice that some DID agree with me completely. Also, you can’t just say someone is wrong because they are wrong. That was happening a lot. The whole world can disagree with you and that doesn’t make you wrong.
Pyro, that thing you said about how if Chaos Dwarf sorcerers were magically-resistant, then they wouldn’t turn to stone. It is actually the other way around. You should read our whole thread, because we mentioned that they turn to stone BECAUSE of their resistance to magic several times. This is a point that is repeated in the fluff.
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From the wiki:
“The Chaos Dwarfs are a sub-breed of dwarfs”
“the Chaos Dwarfs resemble other Dwarfs”
"Physically, the Chaos Dwarfs resemble other Dwarfs, for Dwarfs themselves are very resistant to the influence of magic. The power of Chaos has warped their appearance only slightly"
From the rulebook:
“With an army of Dwarfs, an innately magic-resistant race”
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Anyway, I return to my orginal point that I’ve been treated with nothing but rudeness and close-mindedness. There was absolutely no reason for it.
There is one really serious question I’d like to leave you with though:
If you can’t handle a debate or a reasonable discussion (even if it is “unproductive”… how can a post be productive if it is locked?) then why are you running a forum?
Bye bye. Here’s to hoping no one else chases away the rest of the newest members. :cheers
Listen, no one will agree on absoulutly everything. I disagree with alot of members about alot of things, do you know what I do when that happens… I get over it
It’s a real shame you want to leave, I’ve read ALL the posts and there seem to be good arguments on both sides but this is certainly something that will not be settled either way as it involves people who are not willing to change their point of view (on both sides) so it needs to be left as that. There are more than a few quotes on either sides that there really was no need for, all you have to do when that happens is pm a mod or admin and it will be sorted through them. We have a good team, have faith.
This is by far the best community on the web and part of that is that we all have our own opinions which differ from time to time, again not meaning to be rude but get over it and move on. I really do hope you keep posting here mate.
We’re quite a welcoming group so I’m sorry you feel slighted by some people or actions on the site. I don’t think anything to do with the discussion(s) was particularly belittling to you, but I guess you felt differently.
I can’t say the same for some of your comments:
Come on, you’re seriously joking right? You’re actually trying to tell me at this point that Chaos Dwarfs are not Dwarfs? and Great White Sharks are not sharks, right? and Chaos Ogres are not ogres, right? Gimme a break, that is just going into completely ridiculous territory. We happen to share the same name because we also happen to be magically-resistant stunted bearded burly guys AKA DWARFS!
Some of which seemed to be attacking or belittling to specific people
If you have a problem with it, then simply don’t use the benefit and don’t play the game the way the rules are written or complain to GW for an Errata (FAQs are just house rules). But then you are also opening the door to change any rule.
All this in a topic where you were asking for people’s opinions in the original post, and sticking to a single view without giving consideration or benefit to anyone else’s viewpoints.
The fact that you’ve continued this conversation in three threads already, two of which have been closed by mods, within a short amount of time tells that it would be best if you would leave the discussion by the wayside.
If you want to play them that way, go ahead and do it, but I’d suggest explaining why to your opponent first. If you don’t want to play them that way, that’s fine too. However, constantly jabbing at the same dead conversation is bad forum etiquette.
So you are leaving just because there was a little bit of a fight over chaos dwarfs being resistant/not resistant to magic? Cause thats what it looks like to me. I honestly dont care if they are or not so i dont see why you are taking this as a personal attack against youself. The topic was locked but you dragged it on. You kind of brought this on yourself. You are trying to find a loop hole in the rules and its backfired.
Those quotes you mentioned were not attacking or rude at all. It was the correct ammount of enthusiasm to match the harshness of how Tommy H presented his points. Honestly, in hindsight I shouldn’t have given into the provocation though.
That last quote was actually Tommy’s own words. I was hoping he’d notice. He once said that if you change a rule slightly, then you are opening the door for any rules to be changed. If you say that a rule that applies to all elves or dwarfs or undead only applies to 1 of the many armies that fall under that description, then you are changing the rules.
Alternatively, I could waste time showing the rudeness, close-mindedness and brass of the other members posts… but I’d just be wasting time stirring up bad stuff.
My decision to leave is mostly based on the way people who have been given the power to moderate and admin the forum have decided to use their power to block discussion and block debate for their own purposes. I have a strong aversion to people using their authority to lord it over the people. I also have a strong aversion to censorship. I have gotten over it by simply deciding to conversate elsewhere where it will be appreciated, and I don’t have to worry about it being blocked and told that since I’m not an overlord of the forum, I must not know what I am talking about!
.... that if you have any contrasting viewpoints to people in "mod/admin" positions, they will lock your topic and claim it was too heated or unproductive. That's not the type of forum I want to be a part of/post on, and I thought the people who've created this forum would like to know why someone would leave.
CheTralfara
I'm genuinely curious that how a staff that strives to be as civil as possible and that takes great pains to treat all its members as fairly as possible is somehow a bad thing?
I also fail to see how the Staff is culpable in this when it is our job to make sure that things run smoothly.
The thread in question was locked because HB felt that it was going no where. Then it was started again to fight the same fight, sometimes is better to leave things alone and move onto the next topic.
If you'd like, please contact the Staff member you have the best rapport with and discuss your views to them, that is always the best course of action rather then stirring up the same argument in three separate threads.
Because unless I'm missing something here I don't see the how the Staff is being unreasonable here, quite the contrary actually we are genuinely a lenient bunch who wants to foster a great community. Decenting opinions are fine, sometimes its how it said that draws the locking of a thread, which HB could have done for both sides in that matter.
In all fairness, I’ve brought up completely new points in both new threads on the subject. My words don’t apply to the whole staff. Mostly just HB in particular, who we know did not close it because of the way things were said, because he was one of the people doing the saying.
In any case, there’s no point for me to waste time here, I’ve seen how new members are treated. Maybe I am over-reacting since it was only 3 or 4 people. But regardless, It’s not worth my time to post in a forum that locks topics because people disagree. That is a waste of time and an unproductive environment in itself.
How does this qualify as slamming the door on the way out? There were people who run this forum that had no part in convincing me to leave, and they deserve to know that certain people that they gave power to are using their position to bully people.
.nick
P.S. it’s also worth mentioning that there are something like 1,000 members of this forum that didn’t participate in the conversation. Out of those 1,000, I wonder how many might have agreed with me but were just too afraid of being crapped on if they spoke up. Cuz afterall, we are supposed to “keep in mind” that we are disagreeing with a “mod” and an “admin”, remember?
How does this qualify as slamming the door on the way out? There were people who run this forum that had no part in convincing me to leave, and they deserve to know that certain people that they gave power to are using their position to bully people.
CheTralfara
If you have a valid complaint about a user, you send a private message to the moderator in charge. Casting yourself as the victim and making a public spectacle of it is the kind of drama-queen crap that most people have grown out of by this point. You're leaving, right? What could you possibly have to say? Once you're gone other people are going to have the last word anyway. It's a bloody plea for attention, and I'm sick of it.
I don’t think you’ve been mistreated. Sure, some people got heated… some arguements get that way. Which is why the threads were shut down, so people wouldn’t get crazy. It wasn’t censorship.
We’re just trying to avoid really heated debates as, after a certain point, it’s fruitless as people are entrenched in their beliefs… regardless of if they respect the other side or not, going through the same arguements over and over again just causes headaches… and there’s only so much asperine you can take.
hey che i think your worth it !!!
i have fought and cause chaos on this site !!Im not proud of it !! most of these guy don't mean anything buy it!!!
i think your worth it will you please stay!!!
Kera foehunter
Yeah, stay. Let's just forget about this whole thing. And Ancient History I don't think this is niether the time or the place to say such things. Your contradicting yourself if you have a problem send him a PM.
Not to cause afense but I do think that it you were just stubborn
Yes people have arguments and I except that people disagree it’s all about being human
What you needed to do is either say ‘well thats what I think, lets leave it at that’ or if they were bulling you (I didn’t read the whole thread so I don’t know the full extent) just either report them or tell a mod
But I think this forum is the nicest forum on the web yes there are argument but they finish quite fast and simpley if you feel you should leave them I’m not stopping you but all I can say is please reconsider
In any large group of people you will always have personality clashes with some of them. Some people here certainly do present their opinions in fairly blunt ways, but you will get that on any forum or any group of people anywhere.
If you do decide to stay probably your best bet is to bring up any issues you have with a staff member whom you feel is sympathetic.
Its a shame he had to take things so seriously and make such a public statement of it all, but obviously he was looking only for confirmation to the answer he wanted. And over something so trivial as well.
Che, I encourage you to take a break for a week, then come back.
Sometimes people can get a bit heated in a debate, and it is always easy to read something in a completely different manner to that in which it was written. This all happened over the course of only a couple of days, no time to take a breath. It helps to take a step back and rest for a bit, and I’m sure you will make some great contributions to the site and really enjoy it here if you give it a little chance.
