# \[Archive\] 12" death
**URL:** https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/archive-12-death/8576
**Category:** \[Archive\] Army Lists
**Created:** [1 August 2008 10:48 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/archive-12-death/8576 "2008-08-01T10:48:34Z")
**Posts on this page:** 4
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [1 August 2008 10:48 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/archive-12-death/8576/1 "2008-08-01T10:48:34Z")
**warsmith** :
This list has not yet gone into battle so it may not work, but to the list
soccer LvL 2
despell scroll, power stone
soccer LvL 2
chalice of darkness
cd hero
armie standerd bearer, armour of gazrakh, biting blade
cd warriors (15)
hand weapon, heavy armour, blunderbuss, full comand
cd warriors (15)
hand weapon, heavy armour, blunderbuss, full comand
cd warriors (15)
hand weapon, heavy armour, shield
death rocket
coments, ideas?
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [2 August 2008 11:20 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/archive-12-death/8576/2 "2008-08-02T11:20:15Z")
**Makarion** :
Assuming this is a roughly 1,500 point list…
\* Is the Chalice worth it at those point values? No one’s going to cast the 10+ spells on anything but a fluke, so I’d think that your dispel dice and 1-2 scrolls should be more than sufficient.
\* The Biting Blade strikes me as one of the worst magic items in the list - even in our very small list. Sure, you get to make magical attacks, but it’s not particularly likely you’ll kill much with it.
\* Let’s assume you want to put the sorcerors in the blunderbuss blocks in a formation 6 wide up front, with a 4-man back rank; that kind of makes sense. Why the command in there? Sure, a champion can protect the sorceror from challenges, but the banner and especially musician seem a total waste.
\* What kind of formation did you have in mind for the warriors with (presumably) the BSB?
\* Wouldn’t two bolt throwers be a more reliable option than your Death Rocket?
\* Consider some hobgoblins on wolves, with or without bows, or even hobgoblin archers on foot, to give some longer-range support to your very slow dwarves.
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [3 August 2008 06:23 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/archive-12-death/8576/3 "2008-08-03T06:23:38Z")
**warsmith** :
well the reason I have the chalice of darkness is I mostly play against a dragon mage high elf list or against a magic heavy tomb king list (2prests one with a Casket of souls).
I think ill trade the biting blade for the sword of might so he’s str. 5
as for the blunderbuss units i was going to make them into 3 five man ranks
the formation i was planing was the warriors with bsb will be flanked by the the blunderbuss units and put the artillery on a hill
so the list, by the way it’s 1000pts
sorcerer LvL 2
despell scroll, power stone
sorcerer LvL 2
chalice of darkness
cd hero
army d bearer, armor of gazrakh, biting blade
cd warriors (15)
hand weapon, heavy armor, blunderbuss, champion
cd warriors (15)
hand weapon, heavy armor, blunderbuss, champion
cd warriors (15)
hand weapon, heavy armor, shield, full command
bolt thrower (2)
two hobgoblins
990pts
sorry about the spell that better?
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [10 September 2008 07:00 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/archive-12-death/8576/4 "2008-09-10T07:00:01Z")
**puppet gathering** :
this is a cool list but i would drop the death rocket to either get 2 more bolt throwers or drop both the rocket and the chalice and get another unit of 15 warriors with hand weapons and shields