wanna start chaos dwarves, they are so expensive wanna discuss 2000 points before i start buying forge-gold.
LVL 2 Deamonsmith
LVL 2 Deamonsmith
Castellan BSB
Khan
on wolf
Khan
on wolf
50 Hobgoblins
std. ms. sheilds
28 Oathsworn
std. mus. flaming banner
Magma Cannon
Death Shrieker
Death Shrieker
K’Dai Destroyer
Idea is pretty basic. Hammer with artillery, use khans as warmachine killer and re-directors. try to get him stuck in with my oathsworn and gobbos, then flank with destroyer.
wanna start chaos dwarves, they are so expensive wanna discuss 2000 points before i start buying forge-gold.
LVL 2 Deamonsmith
LVL 2 Deamonsmith
Castellan BSB
Khan
on wolf
Khan
on wolf
50 Hobgoblins
std. ms. sheilds
28 Oathsworn
std. mus. flaming banner
Magma Cannon
Death Shrieker
Death Shrieker
K’Dai Destroyer
Idea is pretty basic. Hammer with artillery, use khans as warmachine killer and re-directors. try to get him stuck in with my oathsworn and gobbos, then flank with destroyer.
In my oppinion if you really want to go the artillery route GO the artillery route. You only have 3 cannons to do your shooting… Also giving your hobgoblins bows can give you a bit more reach.
What I’m going to say next may sound weird but get rid of the destroyer if you want to bombard. Your goal is to sit back and shoot the crap out of the enemy. The destroyer only really shines if he goes forward. If you drop it get 2 more cannons and an extra smith you’ll have a lot more shooting power. Or get 1 more cannon and 1 extra battalion of solid infantery.
@ maded, don’t want to go all shooting, doesn’t create for a very fun game. rather have something balanced, know what i mean?
i can go all shooting, but if i want to do that i’d rather go empire, i think point for point they are the better shooting army. especially because i think chaos dwarfs will struggle with destroying other artillery. we have no cannons, so how will you get your opponents cannons?
The rockets with their strength 8 are for taking out warmachines/monsters. Not ideal I know.
For Oathsworn? Are you talking about the Ironsworn or just the standard Infernal guard? Looking at your list i’d say it has to be plain IG or I can’t see how you’d meet your core requirements?
Eitherway I think it’s worth putting the champ upgrade in there so you can minimise the impact of hero’s they have and potentially protect your Castellan better.
If they only have HW/Shields (IG, not Ironsworn) I don’t really think the flaming banner is worth it unless you plan on using it for a theme/modelling. The reason for this is they only have 1 strength 4 attack each and you already have the Destroyer for regen negating. This also means that is something (say dragon princes) that is resistant to fire comes along they can pretty much laugh at your 2 fighty killy things (big block and destroyer)
so as maded suggested i’m thinking of another list, tell me if there’s any glaring weaknesses
LVL 3
Dispell Scroll, Potion of Healing, Magic helm (forgot name 10 opints)
BSB
Enchanted Sheild, Dawn Stone, 4+ Ward Talisman
Castellan
65 Magic armour in CD list (forgot name), Cheap 5 point magic weapon, Sheild
Khan on Wolf
LA, Spear, Sheild of Ptolos
60 Hobgoblins
Std, Mus. Hand weapons and Sheilds
15 Infernal Guard
FC, Flaming Standard
3 K’Dai
1x Death Shrieker
2x Dreadquake
Ogre upgrade
The idea here is to hammer my opponent with Shrieker and 2 Dreadquakes. Once he gets in, the Castellans will charge out and along with horde of goblins tie him up. whilst he stuck there, i’ll attempt to flank him with infernal guard and k’dai.
I expect you’ll find 15 models in your Infernal Guard unit will disappear far to quickly to be useful. And I think 60 Hobgoblins are going to give up so much combat resolution that you’ll lose any encounter with the enemy. One failed Toughness test and you’re K’daai Fireborn will also be severely crippled. In short, I don’t think your list will work. Sorry =(
should i swap my fireborn for more infernal gaurd?
i want a good competitive list, but still fun to play. like i said, forge-gold models are really expensive so i wanna make sure i get my list right before i start buying.
should i go heavy shooting? is two dreadquakes good? or sould i go fighty and take a destroyer?
At 2000 points, you can have a nice balanced list with some shooting, some close combat and some magic. Starting point is this:
Sorcerer-prophet, level 4 using either lore of death or hashut
Infernal castellan to carry the battle standard
Equip them as you want, but both can have a 2+ armour save and 4+ ward save. You can also add a daemonsmith (level 1 with either lore of metal or fire) to help the reliability of your warmachines. There’s no point in having any other characters, especially castellens, they won’t add much.
Next up is core choices. With chaos dwarfs, you want to spend the minimum you can on core, as it is not cost effective; our special and rare choices are generally much better. I recommend:
28 infernal guard, full command, lichebone pennant (or other magic banner)
20 hobgoblins, full command, bows
A nice reasonable sized block if infernals; mine have never given up any victory points. With MR1 from the banner, you also get a 4+ ward save against spells from the lore of metal. Both the sorcerer prophet and the infernal castellan go in this unit. 20 hobbos is a small unit, but at least it can shoot stuff or get in the way; who cares if they all die anyway?
Special choices next; this is where it starts to get interesting. The most warmachine common set-up is:
Deathshrieker
Deathshrieker
Magma cannon
This gives you a big S3 template and a S8 shot (or two of either) plus the gift from Hashut that is the magma cannon. Just take one, they’re ace.
Leaving special choices and going to rare choices, I’ll just say one thing:
K’daai Destroyer
These are brilliant. Plus it’s an excellent opportunity to make you’re own model, or convert. Mine’s made from a toy bull. If you find it overpowered, you can drop it later.
You’ll probably still have some points left over after this, so look next at bull centaurs or k’daai fireburners. Bull centaurs can be used from 3 models upwards, whereas you need at least 6 fireborn to absorb losses from toughness tests. Avoid wolf riders, they’re too random. I wouldn’t take a dreadquake as it is too unreliable, plus the model is very expensive. If you want more shooting, get a hellcannon (but wait for the finecast one).
ya that sounds good, that’s what i’m starting to lean towards as well.
i’m thinking of using the 40K soul grinder as my k’dai destroyer. with the exception of the art, showing it as a bull, the written gives no reference to it looking like a bull. instead it’s a daemon bound to a metal machine, the epitome of chaos dwarf workmanship/magic. what better to represent that then a daemon trapped in a giant robotic body?!? i think it’s great, plus because it’s a GW model you can still use it at GW tournaments!
