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Discoking:

Hi,

I’m thinking of taking this list to a tournament next week - what do you guys think… It’s pretty standard with a twist… namely GW, lol.

I don’t have any models for Bull Centaurs or an Iron Daemon;

Otherwise I’d take one!

A bit of comp - Max 5 Warmachines

- Destroyer counts as 2 war machines

- Hellcannon & Iron Daemon each count as 1 war machine

+ Lords + (350pts)

* Sorcerer-Prophet (350pts) Lore of Hashut - Level 4 Enchanted Shield, Talisman of Preservation

+ Heroes + (519pts)

* Daemonsmith Sorcerer (160pts) Lore of Fire - Level 2 Charmed Shield, Dispel Scroll

* Dark Castellan (207pts) BSB Shield, Ironcurse Icon, , The Mask of the Furnace, Warrior Bane

* Hobgoblin Khan (71pts) Giant Wolf, Shield, Light Armour, Shrieking Sword, Dragonbane Gem

* Hobgoblin Khan (76pts) Giant Wolf, Shield, Light Armour, Dragonshelm, Relic Sword

+ Core + (710pts)

* 29 x Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard (502pts) Great Weapons, Musician, Overseer, Standard Bearer - War Banner

* 20 x Hobgoblin Cutthroats (104pts) Musician, Bows

* 20 x Hobgoblin Cutthroats (104pts) Musician, Bows

+ Special + (290pts)

* Magma Cannon (145pts)

* Magma Cannon (145pts)

+ Rare + (530pts)

* Hellcannon (205pts)

* K’daai Destroyer (325pts)

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Bolg:

Looks like a solid list. Buy have you got a good reason to bring the warbanner? in 7th ed i know it was great, but now with all the steadfast and the likes i personally think its 35 points wasted. and you already have a suborn BSB.

And why is your warmachine baby sitter a level 2? thats another 35 points wasted. loosen up a few more points and you’ve got enough for say 3 Bullcentaurs as a nice support.

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nilbog:

Looks fine. I agree with bolg about the warbanner, i’d drop it. Are any of the games blood and glory? Because you are short on standards if they are. You could try to squeeze the chalice in if you drop the warbanner and your level 2 to level 1.

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Discoking:

Hi, I’ve taken your thoughts on board. & gone for more modest core IG; & added 3 GW BC.

It’s a shame… I really wanted GW IG, lol.

+ Lords + (350pts)

* Sorcerer-Prophet (350pts) Lore of Hashut - Level 4 Enchanted Shield, Talisman of Preservation

+ Heroes + (469pts)

* Daemonsmith Sorcerer (125pts) Lore of Fire - Level 1 Charmed Shield, Dispel Scroll

* Dark Castellan (207pts) Shield, Ironcurse Icon, The Mask of the Furnace, Warrior Bane

* Hobgoblin Khan (71pts) Giant Wolf, Shield, Light Armour, Relic Sword, Dragonbane Gem

* Hobgoblin Khan (66pts) Giant Wolf, Shield, Light Armour, Shrieking Sword

+ Core + (603pts)

* 29 x Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard (395pts) Musician, Overseer, Standard Bearer - Lichebone Pennant

* 20 x Hobgoblin Cutthroats (104pts) Musician, Bows

* 20 x Hobgoblin Cutthroats (104pts) Musician, Bows

+ Special + (445pts)

* 3 x Bull Centaur Renders (155pts) Musician, Great Weapons

* Magma Cannon (145pts)

* Magma Cannon (145pts)

+ Rare + (530pts)

* Hellcannon (205pts)

* K’daai Destroyer (325pts)

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Samanos:

personally i prefer infernals than hobbos. i think that a unit with gw can be quite handy to chop up whatever survives the cannons.

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Discoking:

I could drop a Hobbo unit & add the GW’s back… Raise their numbers to 30?

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Bolg:

Great improvident, I agree great weapons are a dwarven thing but I also realized that these guys just work better whit hand weapon shield.

Good luck and please let us know how the tournament went.

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Samanos:

I could drop a Hobbo unit & add the GW's back... Raise their numbers to 30?

Discoking
I would suggest 2 units,
20 with hw and shield and 25 with gw along with musos and banners.
that should come near 625 if i recall correctly.
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richard barby:

take all the toys off the wolf riders. there job is to get thrown under a bus to save your core block and heros. so from my point of view just stick them on a wolf and save about 30 points in what you have spent on them to spend elsewhere. if you can find 35 points (i think ) you can stick a foot karn near them or in the archer to jump across and hold off a charge for you

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Discoking:

Hi again guys… I’ve decided to go with my 2nd list…

My first Round is against Daemons!

Help! Advice?

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Baggronor:

Advice?
Pray? Go to the bar instead? ;)

Chuck all the templates and Ash Storm onto the Bloodletters. You can't fight them unless they are severely depleted (and Str5 templates will deplete them).
Also, block them with the Khans - they only get their +D6" charge the first time they charge iirc.

Hellcannon any Greater Daemons.

The Destroyer should hunt the Slaanesh Fiend bus first if there is one, nothing else in your list can handle 8 of them. After that, he should seek flank charges on Bloodletters or go for the Horror Bunker. He can also engage Greater Daemons but its not the best use for him. He must not, under any circumstances, fight a Great Unclean One. Balesword will kill you.
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Discoking:

Cheers for the advice, Baggs.

I’m up against Ben Diesel on Saturday…

Wish me luck!

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Baggronor:

I'm up against Ben Diesel on Saturday...
Heh, ask him about the time he played my Dwarfs at the Summer Incursion last year ;) Most awesome game ever.

He siren song'ed my Hammerers turn 1 from max range, hoping to draw them forward with a failed charge so his Daemonettes could charge them next turn with Mindrazor up - the Hammerers rolled a double 6, steamed into his line and killed the sh*t out of both his Daemonettes and Bloodletters in 3 rounds. Then his Bloodthirster, who had been hiding behind a building for fear of the cannons, rushed out to swing the game - and got a 6 wound cannonball right between the eyes first shot :) Dwarfs massacring Daemons, The Stuff of Legends.

No idea if he is running the same list as before but it was a Bloodthirster, 30-ish Bloodletters with Herald, 30-ish Daemonettes with Herald, 8 Fiends, Furies, Flamers and a lv2 Tzeentch with Shadow magic on a chariot. He may well have switched to the GUO now, people have been raving about it recently.
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Discoking:

That’s amazing advice, thanks!

What’s a GUO list?

Edit: just remembered, Great Unclean One, lol.

That sounded like a truely awesome game that you had too!

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brotsorrow:

i am excited to hear how your list did against a demon army. Subscribing to this thread to get the details!

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Discoking:

Haha… I met the Diesel this evening…

We were all drinking in the pub & the Black sun (their name?) Lot turned up…

They are all a bunch of cocks, as far as I’m concerned. I was polite this evening, but won’t be tomorrow, lol.

In any case, Ben is a big lad, & plays aggressively.

I shall try my best, hehe!

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richard barby:

how did you get on

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Discoking:

Hey, glad there’s an interest in my outcome…

Game 1. Vs Ben Diesel’s Daemons.

He took a Herald list, I used the advice about using the destroyer to kill the Horror unit-

although he was subsequently… destroyed.

A 10-10 draw. And I got a lot of praise this result.

Ben is a very aggressive player., & always tries 17" charges. Which probably cost him a win.

Game 2 vs. Dwarfs. 12-8 loss to me.

A great fame was had, a lot of fun and was epic in parts.

Hobgoblin bows were like homing missiles. My fail came from deploying the destroyer in my left, when on my right was a lot better!

Game 3 vs. Bretonnians 12-8 win to me.

Turn 1 Bret lvl4 prophetess cascaded herself… And I went on to destroy everything apart from the 3 lances.

Was a shame I didn’t claim many points… Only 1 Grail Knight left & 1 Knights Errant… Argh! Lol.

Overall, I had an amazing day.

I ended up on. 30 out of 60 points.

I was placed 21st out of 42 people;

A draw, a loss & a win.

DEAD AVERAGE.

If you have anymore questions, let me know.

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brotsorrow:

Congrats bro!!! Thanks for posting. Can you maybe post some tips on what you did well and what you wish you had done better versus these armies? Also, what armies placed in the top 10?

Im curious as to what else you found vs. the daemons… anything new?

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Discoking:

Congrats bro!!!!! Thanks for posting. Can you maybe post some tips on what you did well and what you wish you had done better versus these armies? Also, what armies placed in the top 10?

Im curious as to what else you found vs. the daemons...... anything new?

brotsorrow
Thanks! Hehe.

Daemons

Khorne Herald General
Khorne Herald BSB (Banner of Sundering)
Slaanesh Herald
Tzeentch Herald (Lore Master: Shadow)

2 x 30 Bloodletters
30 Daemonettes
15 (ish) Horrors
5 Furies

2 x 3 Screamers

1 Bloodcrusher Champion
2 x 1 Fiends

With their new rules update the Screamers are quite good, I tried to take them out, as they were the fastest things on the board.
They were not quite as good as to take out a Magma cannon though!

I was lucky enough to charge my babysitting Daemonsmith in to help clean up (something I fogot to do against the Dwarf's Gyrocoptor in game 2!)

A Khan on a Giant Wolf with the Shrieking Blade sorted out a Bloodletter Champion & 5 Furies.
Basically I avoided combat with his 3 big blocks, & killed everything else. This I recommend!

Dwarfs:

Dwarf Lord
Thane BSB
Runesmith (lord?)
Thane

20 Crossbows
20* Scouting Longbeards w/ GW

2 x 25* Hammerers
Grudgethrower

Organ Gun
Gyrocopter

* The amounts in these units may not be correct...
An interesting army, to say the least!

I should have rinsed this army, but instead I fluffed the deployment of the K'Daai.
This was a really fun game, in hindsight, I should have been more aggressive, & I could have easily have killed things in combat;
After having whittled everything down to "easy to chew" chunks.
This cost me the game, as all I killed was the Runesmith(lord?), Grudgethrower & a unit of Hammerers (everything else was running away half dead!) -
He managed to get the BC, Hellcannon  a Magma Cannon, a Hobbo unit, A Hobbo Khan & the Destroyer.

Bretonnians:

Duke (HKB )
Lvl4 Prophetess on Life Crown of Command

BSB Paladin
Lvl 1 Damsel on Beasts

2 x 5 Knights Errant
10 Knights Errant
10 Knights of the Realm
20 Bowmen

4 Peg. Knights

9 Grail Knights, Flaming Banner
2 x Trebuchets

I was very tired by this game, but it was with a friend with whom I have never played, & it was really fun - lots of banter & I look forward to playing him again.
He was quite unlucky in this game - the following happened to him:

The 2 Trebs were dead by turn 2, but missed each time fired.
His Level 4 took off a Magma cannon with Dwellers, & then fell down a hole due to the miscast (turn1!).
His Pegs fled from Magma fire, & tried to return for revenge, before being slowly killed by Hobbo Cutthroats over 5 turns.
The K'daai & a Khan took out all Peasants, Knights Errants.
The Hellcannon took out 6 Grail Knights, & then they were held up by the Khan with the Dragonbane Gem...
Ash Storm stopped charges from the KotR (Duke/BSB bus)...
Until the last turn where the Duke charged solo & HKB the Hellcannon.
The Knight's Errant took on the BC...
This was going to be where I was going to finally get some sort of use out of them...
Turn 2 of combat... I had 2 hits, & no wounds (needing 1's).  
so they fled off of the board.
I could have gotten a bigger win if I remembered to rear charge the Grail knights with my 2nd Khan...

The Bull Centaurs died in every game, but were a good distraction in the Bretonnian/Daemon games.

That's about it from memory - Sorry if this read a bit disjointed.
If you have any queries feel free to ask :hat off