[Archive] 2k CD beginner..any tips?

Dark Haven:

Greetings all! I have almost finished my Brets (500 pts to go!) and I wanted to start planning my next army. I originally wanted to do Tomb Kings until I realized that CD were still a playable army. I love their list and the conversion work I’ll have to do.

So, what do you think about my list? Does it suck or does it hold the gleam of genius? :wink:

Lord - 174

w/ Heavy Armor, Shield, Black Hammer of Hashut

Bull Centaur BSB Hero - 175

w/ Sword of Might, Armor of Gazrhak

Sorceror - 150

w/ Level 2, 2x Dispel Scrolls

Sorceror - 150

w/ Level 2, Chalice of Darkness

18x Blunderbuss - 226

w/ Blunderbuss, Heavy Armor, Music

18x Blunderbuss - 226

w/ Blunderbuss, Heavy Armor, Music

23x Warriors - 237

w/ Hand Weapon, Shield, Heavy Armor, Full Command

10x Hobgoblins - 20

10x Hobgoblins - 20

20x Hobgoblins - 40

20x Hobgoblins - 40

5x Wolf Riders - 55

5x Wolf Riders - 55

10x Bull Centaurs - 225

w/ Great Axes, Heavy Armor, Shield, Banner

3x Bolt Throwers - 90

Earthshaker Cannon - 110

Total: 1993

Power: 6

Dispel: 4

Number: 147

Hashut be with you! :cheers

regards,

Dark Haven

metro_gnome:

your lords is as slow as sludge… he wll be easily avoided…

i’d switch him up for a BC lord with the same gear… maybe an enchanted shield…

and in that case i’d probaly make a CD hero be the general instead of the BSB…

levels on sorcerors are no good… chalice is an offensive magic item…

unless you bring a wack of dice leave this one at home… more scrolls…

BBs dont really need musicians… if they are running they are usually dying…

you can’t field your wolfboyz like this… sadly our minimum unit size for any hobgoblin unit is 10…

with that in mind armor them up… they don’t lose fast cav at 4+ save… and get a musician…

leave some spots for your characters… usually save points this way…

Dark Haven:

I think I’ll stick to a pair of level 2s.��The BSB looks good but I’d like a cheap BC hero with a Gw and gauntlets more.��My lord is fine as he will be in the main block of CD warriors. If my enemy has to take on my center, then they will find him ready and waiting.

Here is my new revised list:

Lord - 181

w/ Heavy Armor, Enchanted Shield, Black Axe of Hashut

Bull Centaur Hero - 134

w/ Great Axe, Armor of Gazrhak

Sorceror - 150

w/ Level 2, 2x Dispel Scrolls

Sorceror - 150

w/ Level 2, Chalice of Darkness

18x Blunderbuss - 216

w/ Blunderbuss, Heavy Armor

18x Blunderbuss - 216

w/ Blunderbuss, Heavy Armor

23x Warriors - 237

w/ Hand Weapon, Shield, Heavy Armor, Full Command

10x Hobgoblins - 20

10x Hobgoblins - 20

25x Hobgoblins - 100

w/ Light Armor, Shield, Hand Weapon

25x Hobgoblins - 100

w/ Light Armor, Shield, Hand Weapon

10x Hobgoblins - 50

w/ Bows

9x Bull Centaurs - 229

w/ Great Axes, Heavy Armor, Shield, Warbanner

3x Bolt Throwers - 90

Earthshaker Cannon - 110

Total: 2000

Power: 6

Dispel: 4

Number: 156

Hashut be with you!

Theory_Man:

You might want to do a big unit of Warriors instead of all the Hobgoblins so you will have a playable 2000pt army faster, and then work on the Hobgoblins. Have you considered a Death Rocket in your army?

Dark Haven:

I had thought of a death rocket, but many have told me that it is not worthwhile, your thoughts?

I like the idea of expendable Hobs but, what should I drop in my current list?

Are the more balanced lists going to have more CDs in them over Hobs?

Theory_Man:

My last reply was basically stating that 25 chaos dwarfs would be faster to convert and paint then 80 hobs.

I like Death Rockets, they are useful when used with the earthshaker; Death Rockets gather information about range for units that are not being fired at with the earthshaker. Plus, some opponentes will move there unites farther way from each other because of two warmachines that use templates.

Most people here do prefer the bolt throwers.

Dark Haven:

Point taken about converting.��

Is an all CD better than one with mixed Greenskins in it?

Also, Bull Centaur lords seem nasty if eqipped right IMO.��True?

Here’s a more converter friendly army list that I think would work:

Bull Centaur Lord - 245

w/ Black Hammer of Hashut, Armor of Gazrahk

Dawi Zharr Hero - 114

w/ Sword (axe) of Might, Enchanted Shield, Gauntlets of Bazhrakk, Heavy Armor, General

Sorceror - 125

w/ Level 2, Dispel Scroll

Sorceror - 150

w/ Level 2, Power Stone, Dispel Scroll

18x Blunderbusses - 216

18x Blunderbusses - 216

23x Warriors - 237

w/ Heavy Armor, Shields, HW, FC

24x Warriors - 246

w/ Heavy Armor, Shields, HW, FC

3x Bolt Throwers - 90

Earthshaker Cannon - 110

9x Bull Centaurs - 234

w/ Heavy armor, Shields, GW, Music, Warbanner

Total: 1993

Tallhat:

I personally always found the DR quite useful.

I really think you need some hobgoblins in this army to act as meat shield.

You will most likely be shot to pieces before you get halfway across the table if your opponent knows what he is doing.

Hobbos tend to minimize the hits your actual fighting units take if used properly.

- Tallhat

Dark Haven:

Ok, are the hero choices good?

My hero hides in a unit and lends Ld. 10. The Bull Centaur goes around amd smashes things.

For a good core of troops, I want to have at least 2 units of warriors. Are 2 units of Blunderbusses too much? Also, Death Rocket or 3x BT? Its a hard choice.

Any tips for a CD beginner like myself?

Tallhat:

2 units of BB are great. I use that myself though I use smaller units. The hero choices are okay but what is your plan with the BC Lord? Is he to join the BC? Personally I never found the BC lord to be that useful but I know quite a few people in here are fond of them. I usually use a Lord, a thing whcich most people in here dont like. Funny that :slight_smile:

- Tallhat

Dark Haven:

Why is that? Most Battle Reports I’ve read have a CD list led by a Sorceror Lord. Do people use Lords, if not… why?

BC Lords are deadly, why are they not used?

Just being a n00b here.

minty:

the main reason most people don’t use a lord is he’s slow, so can easily be avvoided, whereas a bull centaur is fast as a greased pig and a sorcerer can touch you from anywhere*

Like death rockets, I say take a lord, he’s rock hard in combat, cheaper than a bull centaur or sorcerer and if he does get into combat he’s gonna cause alot of pain

or he can be on a taurus:hat off

EDIT:*you know, I real should have phrased that better

Canix:

I use BClord for 2000 or taurus in bigger games the problem with lord on foot is he will just be avoided .The sorcerer lord can be fun but conversly the Lamasu is not worth it blunders with com for him methinks:hat

DR is fun also especially against hordes:hashut

Dark Haven:

So, for a general all-takers list which is the best lord to take?

Though, out of all them the plain CD lord sounds the most fun to convert.

Tallhat:

A CD lord would be my pic. Slam him on a Taurus if you must but Ive never found that to be necesarry.

- Tallhat

Dark Haven:

Point taken. I guess that its because the Sorceror Lord has Ld.10 and level 4 magic that makes him so popular.

I think IK’ll convert all three and test them out.

In fact, I’'ll go start a thread about lord combos. Make sure to check it out.

sincerely,

Dark Haven

Uzkul Werit:

A Chaos Dwarf Lord on foot works fine. If you take a lone Bull Centaur Hero, he can do the job of the Great Taurus while the Lord holds the line.

Dark Haven:

That sounds nasty. I’ll have to try it.

What do give the BC hero? 1+ AS, GW and gauntlets?

Uzkul Werit:

Yup, that combo is good. Armour Save to soak up damage and four S6 attacks. If you do put him in a Bull Centaur unit, I’d remove the Gauntlets and the GW. He’ll end up taking out his own unit and Bull Centaurs just don’t have the armour to absorb many hits.

Dark Haven:

Cool, but since I don’t intend to field an unit of Bc just yet, I’ll keep th egauntlets so he can be str. 7!

Mmm, chariots…

Anything else, or this list ready to go?

Armies that are in my store:

-Tons of OnG

-Dwarfs

-Empire

-Elves (HE and WE)

The majority of armies being the first 2.

sincerely,

Dark Haven