[Archive] can a hellcannon pivot before fireing?

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Vantraxx the Thrice Cursed:

Greetings followers of Hashut. I have a question about the hellcannon: can it pivot before fireing? I understand both sides of the argument:

1) it is a monster so it can’t pivot before fireing because any movement negates the shot.

And the counter argument is:

2) the cannon is fired as per the rules for a stone thrower that in turn follows the rules for warmachines while it fires so it gets a free pivot as per the warmachine rules.

I’ve always used the second argument. How do you all play it?

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Bloodbeard:

It can’t move before firing. Been FAQed. It’s primarily a monster.

So setup is crucial. Puy the hellcannon on the table last, in a corner and in a 45° angle - to be sure to fire.

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Vantraxx the Thrice Cursed:

It can't move before firing. Been FAQed. It's primarily a monster.

So setup is crucial. Puy the hellcannon on the table last, in a corner and in a 45° angle - to be sure to fire.

Bloodbeard
Yeah i feel that but the faq supports both trains of thought:

as per the faq:
Q: Does pivoting on the spot count as movement for the purposes of
units, other than war machines, with the Move or Fire rule?(p73)
A: Yes.

But also it says:

Page 109 �?" Shooting with War Machines.
Change �?oUnless specified otherwise, all war machine
weapons�?��?� to �?oUnless specified otherwise, all weapons in this
section (and all other weapons mounted on war machines)�?��?�

The second faq section refers to the stonethrower portion of the hellcannon so it takes it's rules from the warmachine section when it fires the stonethrower because the stonethrower is a warmachine.

Am i just looking at the faq in the wrong way? Does it really back up both schools of thought?
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Bloodbeard:

Think I read somewhere in a dark tome of forbidden knowledge (or one of countless forums I search for an answer), that it’s only the firing part. A watmachine can’t fire if it moves. And a monsters counts as moving when it pivots.

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Billy Ocean:

My interpretation is that you are ok to pivot in the shooting phase then shoot. The hellcannon shoots like a stonethrower (a warmachine). The ability to take a pivot in the shooting phase before shooting is part of the rules for “shooting a warmachine”. If it shoots like a warmachine, then it must follow the rules for “shooting a warmachine”, which includes the free pivot in the shooting phase.

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Admiral:

All war machines can pivot before firing. The Hellcannon’s big, rectangular base may present a few problems if your deployment is to tight.

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Vantraxx the Thrice Cursed:

Thx for the feedback, i’m going to keep playing it that way

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Bolg:

All war machines can pivot before firing. The Hellcannon's big, rectangular base may present a few problems if your deployment is to tight.

Admiral
jup.if you pivot in the _movement_ phase it cant shoot, but if you pivot in the _shooting phase (Like all warmachines can) there is no problem.