Lord_Yepez:
Hello everyone,
this seems like a pretty simple question, however it will dictate what models i will but and from where.
Is the castellan with the BSB better with a hand weapon or shield?
TheFNG:
I prefer my BSB be defensive so yes, shield is preferred.
Yodrin:
I always go two handed and some form of shield, magic or non magic
Time of Madness:
Shield plus mask of the furnace! For a 2+ and 4+ save.
Time of Madness
Grimbold Blackhammer:
The answer is…it depends. If I’m fielding him with a unit without Great Weapons, I give him a Great Weapon so someone in the unit has some killing power. If the unit has Great Weapons (or I’m fielding him in a unit of Ironsworn), I give him a handweapon and shield for the extra save. Generally I find the army BSB to be the crux of an army. He does so much with his reroll ability that I think he is far more valuable than the army General or an enemy wizard. Assuming other people see the value of a BSB the way I do, I generally like to keep him as defensive as possible.
Lord_Yepez:
I prefer my BSB be defensive so yes, shield is preferred.
TheFNG
I always go two handed and some form of shield, magic or non magic
Yodrin
Shield plus mask of the furnace! For a 2+ and 4+ save.
Time of Madness
Time of Madness
The answer is...it depends. If I'm fielding him with a unit without Great Weapons, I give him a Great Weapon so someone in the unit has some killing power. If the unit has Great Weapons (or I'm fielding him in a unit of Ironsworn), I give him a handweapon and shield for the extra save. Generally I find the army BSB to be the crux of an army. He does so much with his reroll ability that I think he is far more valuable than the army General or an enemy wizard. Assuming other people see the value of a BSB the way I do, I generally like to keep him as defensive as possible.Chaos Dwarfs are my first fantasy army ever and so i am pretty new to the rules.
Grimbold Blackhammer
So just to clarify, the standard that the castellan carries does take up one of his hands? (if the makes sense)
for example he can carry the standard and have a two handed weapon? or a hand weapon and shield, etc??
Thank you for all the responses everyone!
Grimbold Blackhammer:
The rule for a standard occupying a hand was thrown out an edition or two ago. Carrying a standard in no way affects the equipment a model can carry (except I believe Wood Elves because their book is THAT old but that’s no concern of ours).
Lord_Yepez:
The rule for a standard occupying a hand was thrown out an edition or two ago. Carrying a standard in no way affects the equipment a model can carry (except I believe Wood Elves because their book is THAT old but that's no concern of ours).So does the model have to physically have a banner??
Grimbold Blackhammer
or with castellans is it proxied??
Bloodbeard:
Give him a banner. A bsb is a great opportunity for a conversion and something unique for your army.
There are many models in the GW range that carry banner and only have a handweapon - but still have a great weapon rule wise. The empire greatsword for example.
So just give him whichever weapon looks cool. You could ofcause put the banner on his back and leave both hands for a greatweapon.
I field him with mask of the furnace plus greatweapon. Reason: if he declines a challenge he can’t use the bsb re-rule.
And with only strengh four he’ll have a hard time ending most challenges quick enough.
Lord_Yepez:
Give him a banner. A bsb is a great opportunity for a conversion and something unique for your army.The reason i wanted to know was because forge world sells a model who is a standard bearer who has a hand weapon wear as titan wargames has a bearer who has a shield. so i was wondering which model would beneit me more!
There are many models in the GW range that carry banner and only have a handweapon - but still have a great weapon rule wise. The empire greatsword for example.
So just give him whichever weapon looks cool. You could ofcause put the banner on his back and leave both hands for a greatweapon.
I field him with mask of the furnace plus greatweapon. Reason: if he declines a challenge he can't use the bsb re-rule.
And with only strengh four he'll have a hard time ending most challenges quick enough.
Bloodbeard
but i am a little conflicted on how to field him now a haha
Many people state defensively however many also state to run him offensively! lol
Vantraxx the Thrice Cursed:
I think the defensive/offensive debate is very interesting. The basic CD troops arn’t optimised to kill a lot of stuff in hand to hand (unless armed with great weapons). Giving your bsb a great weapon will counter that slightly. The bsb can also be challenged out so he may end up fighting a combat character optimised to take him out (OTS etc) Problem is when he does swing his great weapon in combat he looses his shield save so is more vulnerable.
I like this build atm: shield, mask of furnace, luckstone, ironcurse icon. He sits in a large unit of IG ranked 5x6 with the prophet who is armed with tal of pres. enchanted shield and magic carpet to exit the unit before combat is reached.
Baggronor:
I give him the Black Hammer, Dragonhelm, Talisman of Endurance and a shield. Reasonably durable, hitty and cool; ticks all the boxes. I’m not relying on him staying alive too much in my regular list, but you can’t really make him super-tough anyway (not like a Dwarf bsb).
Vantraxx the Thrice Cursed:
I give him the Black Hammer, Dragonhelm, Talisman of Endurance and a shield. Reasonably durable, hitty and cool; ticks all the boxes. I'm not relying on him staying alive too much in my regular list, but you can't really make him super-tough anyway (not like a Dwarf bsb).2+ 5++ 2++vs flames +2 strength and death if flammable. I like your build. The extra strength really comes in handy. I think you found the sweet spot.
Baggronor