[Archive] Chaos dwarf back ground ideas

[speedygogo]

speedygogo:

I really like the Chaos Dwarves background but I do think that it needs to be updated.  The chaos dwarves don’t serve any of the four powers of chaos.  They have their own god and distinct identity. Their diety Hashut is as much a chaos god as the great maw but we don’t refer to the dark elves or Ogre kingdoms as the chaos elves or the chaos ogres.  

I always thought it would be cool if some of the chaos invasions of the empire weren’t invasions at all.  What if the Hordes of chaos were fleeing from chaos dwarf enslavement?  Why would the chaos dwarves do this?  Well I was thinking that both their technology and magic was driven by sealing souls and trapping them in items in a similar way that good dwarves use runes.   Even daemons wouldn’t be immune to the process, which would explain the hellcannon.  The agonizing process would be a fate worse than death.

My issue with gw and the chaos dwarves is that they are stuck inthe old edition definition of the Chaos dwarves and refuse to make them as a significant player in the warhammer fantasy universe, when I think they would be.  However, the first step would be to rename them.  I think Dawi Zharr, would be good enough.

Whay do you guys and gals think?

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Snotling:

However, the first step would be to rename them. I think Dawi Zharr, would be good enough.

speedygogo

to be honest, i like the name Chaos Dwarfs, it sounds hard, evil and brutal. but Dawi Zharr is dwarf name for them, so there is no problem, if you call them so. Chaos Dwarf is more kind of a nickname, like Dark Elves for the Druchii... it is, how humans call them. in fact, it is your army and you can call them, like you want, if you want to call them Snot Dwarfs, just do it ^^

you are right, the background is pretty old, but chaos dwarfs are old, too and we have to honor the old traditions ^^. we just have a small background, with lots of room for interpretation, there don't exsist many official pictures and storys about them, so many members write and draw their own stuff and they are allmost free. i don't think that it would be a good idea, to make a "new" background which is "the true one" from this point, it would destroy this freedom. this is also the reason, why i don't care about a new Army book for CDs :hat off

[speedygogo]

speedygogo:

I agree that the background should be destroy but rather elaborated on.  I have the old chaos dwarf book and fluff-wise there are alot of holes in the story.  The chaos dwarves are in the wastes just doing their own thing, only occasionally venturing out to get slaves while the other denziens of chaos regularly migrate to other areas of the warhammer world.  I heard others postulate the Hashut is an aspect of Khorne and I don’t think he is.  The soul trapping theme is prevailent with the chaos dwarves so I figure why not run with it.  

The reason I’m an advocate for the name change is I think it would make it more likely for the chaos dwarves to get an army book.  Right now there are basically 3 chaos armies.  Why make a 4th one?  Making the chaos dwafs ther own distinct entity apart but co-existing with chaos makes them more marketable.  Some units could even be hired like DOW for evil armies.  

Skaven, orcs , Dark elves and even some undead all started as servants of chaos but eventually splintered off into the own distinct armies and it helped them.  If we still called orcs and goblins chaos orcs it would cast an entirely different feel on the greenskins, especially to a newbie player.

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Kera foehunter:

Well maybe next time we don’t kiill off are story tellers.

I think we are keeping it alive .The way of the enslavers are comming!!! Take note and wright the stories .Speedygogo

P.S. Chaos is scared of us!!!

[Grimstonefire]

Grimstonefire:

As Snotling said, our armybook wouldn’t be called Dawi Zharr because most of them are named from a general point of view.  I like ‘Chaos Dwarfs’ because of the imagery it conjours up in the minds of our enemies (why they are called it in my fluff, it suits their purpose).

If I were to start my fluff all over again I’d love to theme theme more on ‘anti-chaos chaos dwarfs’.  I tried this once, but it was way too hard to get my head around.

[speedygogo]

speedygogo:

I did write some sill fluff for a chaos dwarf army but I made them canabalistic pygmies. Here’s what I wrote for them.

<img src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/speedygogo/pygmybook1.jpg[/img]

[size=medium]The Pygmies Guide to Good Eating[/size]

Origins

We�?Ts use ta be called dwarfs nots no mores. All start when shining black rock falls from sky in green fire.  No bodies cares bout it at first.  Laters black rocks makes changes. No notice dat first.  Laters Ullu folks gets real hungry like.  Da hungers makes pain real bad in da bellys.  Dem Ullu folks eats everything �?~cept  da stinky mon-kays ause dey stinky too much.  Aniways, we�?Ts runs outs of da foods.  Nut�?Tin left ta doo buts eats each other.  Ullu folks much taste better dan what�?Ts we�?Ts eatin�?T before.  Only strong Ullu left livin.   �?~Fore long would be anybodies left �?~cept da black rock wakes up.  It haves eyes and faces like Ullu.  Da rock tells us �?oDon�?Tt to eats each other unless gots nut�?Tin else �?~cause plenty of fresh meats �?~bout ta go round.�?�

Black rock makes best sense so we�?Ts makes it da god of da Ullu.  God gets hungers too so we�?Ts feeds him. God�?Ts sad black skin goes away and gets have red skin.  God ask us to call him Ungar, so we�?Ts do.  Ungar shows us how ta use da fires to makes da meats tastier, especially when the meats screams out in thanks for being so tasty

Good livin fore a while.  Make peace wit dem stinky mon-keys but soon runs out of meats.  Unger says more meats over da mountains, so we�?Ts goes lookin fore tasties.  MMmmm.  
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Allies

Ain�?Tt gots many friends �?~cept da stinkys.  Des good friends but no tastes good.  Ullus no eat every-dings, poo-poo tastes real bad.  Stinkys like ta throw da poo poo and dat make em okay.  Hand of mon-key poo like arrow from crossbow when thrown at enemies.  Da stinkys good friends �?~cause U can always wash poo-poo right off without spoiling da meats.

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Da Best Meats

Not all meats same.  Some real tasty others only kinda tasty. Der are lots of other meats out der just wait�?Tin ta be discovered.  World like an all U can eat buffet.  Life�?Ts good ta Ullu.

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Elfs
Sweet and tarty meat

Pointy eared �?~impy guys barely gots meats on dem but dey tastes super delicious.  Some really �?~ard to catch cause des hiding in da woods.  Others are real angry.  But deys some stupid ones dat dress real shiny and stand right in front, deys da tastiest.  Da shinny guys gots magic rocks as der friends so we�?Ts gots to rely on Unger to protects us.

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Greenskins
Grizzled meat

Da green guys been fighting wit us for long time and we�?Ts don�?Tt likes them one bit.  Dey tastes grisly and don�?Tt say many thanks when being roasted.  Normally, we�?Ts not kill dem but its too fun not too. Unger gets real happy like when green guys dies.

Bony Guys
Hardly any meat at all

Dere lots of types of bony guys.  Some are crunchy like beef jerkeys. Others are all bone and are fun to crew on.  But da bestest ones suck out da blood and are nice and juicy.  Dese blood sucking guy are hard ta catch cause da good at kill like da Ullu.  When we�?Ts catch one of dem it�?Ts a special day.  Da tribe leaders gather to fight and see who gets da meats.  One guy wins and the other guys tastes real good.  Mmm.

Humans
Pretty damn tasty meat

Des guys come in assorted flavors.  Some so talls dat dey touch da skies wit der �?~eads.  Des called Giants. Others are medium guys dat likes ta eats a lot too.  Des called Ooo-gars. We�?Ts thinks des guys are okay and don�?Tt fights dem much cause dey worship Ungars sis-dah and dey call her Maw.  Dem deres da small wimpy Ooo-mans dat are da easiest ta kill and taste just right.  We�?Ts likes ta eats des guys da best.

Skaven and Beastmen
meat dats worth da hairballs

Ders also lots of furry guys ta eats.  Some look like cows others like rats.  But dey alls tasty.   Da rat guys are trick ta catch cause dey run and have magics rocks.  Da beasty guys don�?Tt like dying much and puts up good fights.  But we�?Ts eats dem all anyways.

Lizardmen
Scaly but seasoned meat

Da scaly guys are rough and come already seasoned.  Dey are best eaten wit a mug of ale.  Since da Ullu love ale, da Izzies are one of da best meats.  Izzies are tricky ta catch.  Dey got shiny rocks and put up good fights.  No matters though Ullu gots ta do what dey gots ta do.

Dwarves
The other white meat

Des guys used ta be our brah-ders.  Dey are likes us but all nicey-nice. Dey shoots at us when we�?Ts tries to says hi.  Dey even sent dis guy in a sky boat to check on us.  We�?Ts eats dwarves likes da rest.  And dey tastes pretty good.  Dat sky boat guy is gonna be da next meal, soon as we�?Ts can figure out how ta catch him.

The best recipe in 5 easy steps

We�?Ts Ullu have tired many ways to make meats da most tasty.  After much hard work we�?Ts found da single best way ta prepare da meats in five simple steps.

1. Catch da meats

• U�?Ts eating each other otherwise.

2.  Tenderize da meats

• Meat tastes better when deys nice and soft.  Gots ta be careful nots ta kill da meats just yet

3. Offer da meats ta Unger

• Unger blesses da meats wit seasoning and makes it tastes more better.

4. Cooks da meats

• meats always tastes better when dey screams.

5. Eats da meats

• dis part is das best one cause ya gets ta enjoy all da �?~ard work.

Well dats it.  Hope dat ya enjoys being a cannibal.  Remember dat ders a little bit of Unger in all of us.

Happy hunting,

Supreme Witch doctor

Tiki Wiki Niki

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[speedygogo]

speedygogo:

These are pics of the army.

[system]

Kera foehunter:

great army like those pygmies might have to steal that idea…

[speedygogo]

speedygogo:

I did write some sill fluff for a chaos dwarf army but I made them canabalistic pygmies. Here’s what I wrote for them.

<img src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/speedygogo/pygmybook1.jpg[/img]

[size=medium]The Pygmies Guide to Good Eating[/size]

Origins

We�?Ts use ta be called dwarfs nots no mores. All start when shining black rock falls from sky in green fire.  No bodies cares bout it at first.  Laters black rocks makes changes. No notice dat first.  Laters Ullu folks gets real hungry like.  Da hungers makes pain real bad in da bellys.  Dem Ullu folks eats everything �?~cept  da stinky mon-kays ause dey stinky too much.  Aniways, we�?Ts runs outs of da foods.  Nut�?Tin left ta doo buts eats each other.  Ullu folks much taste better dan what�?Ts we�?Ts eatin�?T before.  Only strong Ullu left livin.   �?~Fore long would be anybodies left �?~cept da black rock wakes up.  It haves eyes and faces like Ullu.  Da rock tells us �?oDon�?Tt to eats each other unless gots nut�?Tin else �?~cause plenty of fresh meats �?~bout ta go round.�?�

Black rock makes best sense so we�?Ts makes it da god of da Ullu.  God gets hungers too so we�?Ts feeds him. God�?Ts sad black skin goes away and gets have red skin.  God ask us to call him Ungar, so we�?Ts do.  Ungar shows us how ta use da fires to makes da meats tastier, especially when the meats screams out in thanks for being so tasty

Good livin fore a while.  Make peace wit dem stinky mon-keys but soon runs out of meats.  Unger says more meats over da mountains, so we�?Ts goes lookin fore tasties.  MMmmm.  
"><img src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/speedygogo/pygmybook2.jpg[/img]

Allies

Ain�?Tt gots many friends �?~cept da stinkys.  Des good friends but no tastes good.  Ullus no eat every-dings, poo-poo tastes real bad.  Stinkys like ta throw da poo poo and dat make em okay.  Hand of mon-key poo like arrow from crossbow when thrown at enemies.  Da stinkys good friends �?~cause U can always wash poo-poo right off without spoiling da meats.

"><img src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/speedygogo/pygmyarmy4.jpg[/img]

Da Best Meats

Not all meats same.  Some real tasty others only kinda tasty. Der are lots of other meats out der just wait�?Tin ta be discovered.  World like an all U can eat buffet.  Life�?Ts good ta Ullu.

"><img src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/speedygogo/pygmyarmy5.jpg[/img]

Elfs
Sweet and tarty meat

Pointy eared �?~impy guys barely gots meats on dem but dey tastes super delicious.  Some really �?~ard to catch cause des hiding in da woods.  Others are real angry.  But deys some stupid ones dat dress real shiny and stand right in front, deys da tastiest.  Da shinny guys gots magic rocks as der friends so we�?Ts gots to rely on Unger to protects us.

"><img src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/speedygogo/pygmybook6.jpg[/img]

Greenskins
Grizzled meat

Da green guys been fighting wit us for long time and we�?Ts don�?Tt likes them one bit.  Dey tastes grisly and don�?Tt say many thanks when being roasted.  Normally, we�?Ts not kill dem but its too fun not too. Unger gets real happy like when green guys dies.

Bony Guys
Hardly any meat at all

Dere lots of types of bony guys.  Some are crunchy like beef jerkeys. Others are all bone and are fun to crew on.  But da bestest ones suck out da blood and are nice and juicy.  Dese blood sucking guy are hard ta catch cause da good at kill like da Ullu.  When we�?Ts catch one of dem it�?Ts a special day.  Da tribe leaders gather to fight and see who gets da meats.  One guy wins and the other guys tastes real good.  Mmm.

Humans
Pretty damn tasty meat

Des guys come in assorted flavors.  Some so talls dat dey touch da skies wit der �?~eads.  Des called Giants. Others are medium guys dat likes ta eats a lot too.  Des called Ooo-gars. We�?Ts thinks des guys are okay and don�?Tt fights dem much cause dey worship Ungars sis-dah and dey call her Maw.  Dem deres da small wimpy Ooo-mans dat are da easiest ta kill and taste just right.  We�?Ts likes ta eats des guys da best.

Skaven and Beastmen
meat dats worth da hairballs

Ders also lots of furry guys ta eats.  Some look like cows others like rats.  But dey alls tasty.   Da rat guys are trick ta catch cause dey run and have magics rocks.  Da beasty guys don�?Tt like dying much and puts up good fights.  But we�?Ts eats dem all anyways.

Lizardmen
Scaly but seasoned meat

Da scaly guys are rough and come already seasoned.  Dey are best eaten wit a mug of ale.  Since da Ullu love ale, da Izzies are one of da best meats.  Izzies are tricky ta catch.  Dey got shiny rocks and put up good fights.  No matters though Ullu gots ta do what dey gots ta do.

Dwarves
The other white meat

Des guys used ta be our brah-ders.  Dey are likes us but all nicey-nice. Dey shoots at us when we�?Ts tries to says hi.  Dey even sent dis guy in a sky boat to check on us.  We�?Ts eats dwarves likes da rest.  And dey tastes pretty good.  Dat sky boat guy is gonna be da next meal, soon as we�?Ts can figure out how ta catch him.

The best recipe in 5 easy steps

We�?Ts Ullu have tired many ways to make meats da most tasty.  After much hard work we�?Ts found da single best way ta prepare da meats in five simple steps.

1. Catch da meats

• U�?Ts eating each other otherwise.

2.  Tenderize da meats

• Meat tastes better when deys nice and soft.  Gots ta be careful nots ta kill da meats just yet

3. Offer da meats ta Unger

• Unger blesses da meats wit seasoning and makes it tastes more better.

4. Cooks da meats

• meats always tastes better when dey screams.

5. Eats da meats

• dis part is das best one cause ya gets ta enjoy all da �?~ard work.

Well dats it.  Hope dat ya enjoys being a cannibal.  Remember dat ders a little bit of Unger in all of us.

Happy hunting,

Supreme Witch doctor

Tiki Wiki Niki

">

[speedygogo]

speedygogo:

These are pics of the army.

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Kera foehunter:

great army like those pygmies might have to steal that idea…

[system]

Snotling:

okay, this is a pretty funny army (and by the way, really nice artwork!). I’m sure, that CDs eat meat, maybe from animals they breed or sometimes slaves, too (but not all races ^^), but to change the background from industrial, twisted enslaver-dwarves to… canabalistic pygmies… would be al litte bit to extreme for me ^^

[speedygogo]

speedygogo:

The pygmy change is just for me and is a tangent. I was thing of ways to make the chaos dwarf fluff up to date.

[Grimstonefire]

Grimstonefire:

Woah. Definately deserving of some slaves for the most wierd off topic army thread ever!?!?

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Thane Godri GoblinSlayer:

:hat off That’s an awesome pygmy army. :hat off

A thousand hat offs to you

[speedygogo]

speedygogo:

Thanks.

I didn’t mean to be weird but couldn’t help it. However if it gets me slaves, Whooohoo!

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wallacer:

Speedygogo, you should probably paste those into the Off-topic showcase so people can find them more easily.

I can’t see CD being called something other than Chaos Dwarfs. The name “Chaos Dwarfs” would be way easier for GW to market than some brand new name.