[Archive] Did Chaos Dwarfs Help Found The Empire?

Ancient History:

Bear with me on this one. We know that the Black Orc Rebellion occurred “around the time of Sigmar,” beginning about a hundred years before the founding of the Empire. We know that Sigmar’s rise coincided with a massive Greenskin invasion emerging from the Dark Lands into the Old World, culminating in the Battle of Black Fire Pass in -1 I.C. Recent accounts (The Life of Sigmar, Heldenhammer) have clearly shown that it was Black Orcs running the show, and we know the Black Orcs were created by the Chaos Dwarfs.

Sooo…is it too much of a stretch, d’you imagine, that the fleeing warbands of the Black Orc Rebellion were responsible for the massive invasion of the Old World by Greenskins, which in turn provided the crucible that allowed Sigmar to forge his disparate tribes into an Empire of Men? Did the Chaos Dwarfs inadvertently help found the Empire?

Ancient History:

Bear with me on this one. We know that the Black Orc Rebellion occurred “around the time of Sigmar,” beginning about a hundred years before the founding of the Empire. We know that Sigmar’s rise coincided with a massive Greenskin invasion emerging from the Dark Lands into the Old World, culminating in the Battle of Black Fire Pass in -1 I.C. Recent accounts (The Life of Sigmar, Heldenhammer) have clearly shown that it was Black Orcs running the show, and we know the Black Orcs were created by the Chaos Dwarfs.

Sooo…is it too much of a stretch, d’you imagine, that the fleeing warbands of the Black Orc Rebellion were responsible for the massive invasion of the Old World by Greenskins, which in turn provided the crucible that allowed Sigmar to forge his disparate tribes into an Empire of Men? Did the Chaos Dwarfs inadvertently help found the Empire?

Xander:

It’s a pretty sound argument that our release of Black Orcs on the world have caused incalculable damage. Black Orcs are very good at uniting Greenskins, and it seems the manlings had to unite to stop the massive WAAAGHS led by Black Orcs.

Hashut’s Blessing:

Sounds plausible and it’d be hilarious if GW actually took notice of this. We must spread the word of this, he he he.

Grimstonefire:

Check the description of the warlords axe in Heldenhammer. Sounds a lot like a CD made weapon.

ashur:

Is there a mention of CD in heldenhammer?

It would be nice to have Cd turning that so called invasion into a massive wave of refugees.

w3rm:

Sounds quite plausible actually! IMO one of the coolest things about CD is that there is so little stuff 'n fluff abut them. We get to make our own modles and create our won fluff. How cool is that?!?

Borador:

I agree with w3rm. It just makes Chaos Dwarfs extra fun, due to the fact they are out of production and you got to make them yourself.

BilboBaggins:

Chaos Dwarfs inadvertently created the Empire. :h I have to use this next time I hit GW.

Swissdictator:

It is wonderful propaganda, especially since I also love the Empire too. Could make for good taunting!

Ubertechie:

Logic is very sound - think of Winston Churchill as an example we think of him as a great leader however despite his undeniable effect in helping win WW2 his peacetime record (and popularity was poor). A case of the right man at the right time. Now compare this to Sigmar (a brutal tribal chieftain) - if there had been no massive invasion its hard to imagine he would have risen to power other than as a dictator…

Kiwichris:

I suppose we had a hand in it. While we play our part it’s probably more like 'Did Black Orcs help found the Empire" but good point Ancient History!

BilboBaggins:

I suppose we had a hand in it. While we play our part it's probably more like 'Did Black Orcs help found the Empire" but good point Ancient History!

Kiwichris
But is was the Chaos Dwarfs (and their hobgoblin allies) that forced the greenskin migration towards the Dwarf Strongholds and into the Empire.

51la5:

Thats a good point I Guss in a weird way we did.

Maybe I was all a master plan by some ancient chaos dwarf to create a human empire that could in latter years be raided for slaves to fuel the economy.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Grotsnik:

i think its a great idea and i love it

if this new army thats coming out is chaos dwarfs maybe this will be mentioned if games workshop jave noticed this thread

Beastybeastbeats:

The great Orc and Goblin War against the empire was caused by them all being refugees. ORC ARN’T bad they are just homeless!

Fequiil:

chaos deamons+dwarfs=Chaos dwarfs or empire.