Joshmohr:
I my self am a Wiccan(lets not judge). I have noticed that the runes drawn on there pick axe’s, Banners, and ones on the steps of the anvil of doom are old runes, each with its own meaning… I do not know why i never noticed this before, but it is quite unique. I did not expect to see Wiccan/pagen runes on the Dwarfs.
Any comments on this discovery?
Baggronor:
They are based on the runic alphabets that were used to write Germanic languages; the Dwarfs are very Germanic/Scandinavian influenced. Runes were used by the Scandinavians and Anglo Saxons before the adoption of the Latin alphabet roughly 1000 years ago or thereabouts.
Joshmohr:
Runes where also carved on Willow wood (In witch cae they would be burned in) or in stone (With a special stone carving tool). They where used for ‘fortune telling’, communication, or hiding secrets.
Ancient History:
Okay, had to rewrite this a few times to ease the snark…
Dwarf runes are not Wiccan runes. Both runic alphabets ultimately derive the Futhark and other runic alphabets used to record language before the adoption of the Latin alphabet.
“Dwarf” runes can be almost unilaterally traced back to the works of Tolkein, who directly adapted the runic alphabet for this purpose. “Wiccan” runes and their usage descend almost entirely from German and British occult practices.
In both cases you could almost unequivocally make the argument that runes were appropriated from their native culture (read: stolen) and adapted for new purposes, and new material was then generated for both their use in fantasy literature and occultism.
Joshmohr:
Well, im not saying they are wiccan runes, or have been invented by wiccans, but they are used in many rituals. I.E they are involved in the religion.
Grimstonefire:
Look to Tolkien, he used a whole range of stuff. GW just developed that because it was easy.
Kera foehunter:
well josh i also notice some of these ! but not knowing the language or the belief system of these old one. kinda take the Mystic out of the power of the runes
but yes i think there the same !! since the begining of man . There been some sort of communication !!!some choice to talk to the creator and some talk to there fellow man.
so these mark in stone that are called runes are how you decide there uses is your choice!
I have friends that are wiccan but im not !! i do walk a path that is balance with Nature and the cycle of the earth.!!
cornixt:
I studied Wicca as a child and identified more with it than the other religions. It is really a polyglot religion with many (probably unreliable) sources, the majority is taken from a few books only 50 years old. Some people seem to take the methods far too seriously, when it should rally be a personal thing. It’s quite odd to hear such heated arguments about how to perform certain rituals when there really isn’t a correct way.
dedwrekka:
I studied Wicca as a child and identified more with it than the other religions. It is really a polyglot religion with many (probably unreliable) sources, the majority is taken from a few books only 50 years old. Some people seem to take the methods far too seriously, when it should rally be a personal thing. It's quite odd to hear such heated arguments about how to perform certain rituals when there really isn't a correct way.Which is why it's among the "neo-pagan" (Always hated that word) religions.
cornixt
GRNDL:
Like the others in the thread, its not much of a discovery to me. Most “fantasy” runes are highly derivative of real world runes by way of Tolkien, who added to and altered the use of Elder Futhark runes and their variants. Tolkien isn’t the only one; occultists like Guido List who created the Armamen runes that later became synonymous with Nazi-ism.
Runes are, at their basic level, words become power, so its not surprising that they and their legacy would be used wherever for similar purposes. Proto-germanic runes go back thousands of years and show up in a wide variety of languages, variants and cultures. Even in modern day, runes have powerful symbolic uses in our everyday world: the peace/CND symbol invokes a rune of protection “Algiz” and the common ambulance symbol “*” a representation of “hagalaz” from the younger futhark.
Thommy H:
Wicca is an adaptation of older, pre-Christian religions and cultures that used runes.
Fantasy Dwarfs and their beliefs are an adaptation of older, pre-Christian religions and cultures that used runes.
That’s why they have similarities. They’re the same kind of modern spin on an older idea.
Kera foehunter:
well Ritual and ceremony are different cornixt
Ritual are to be preform in certain order for things to work!!
from the Catholic mass to pegan dancing at the full moon !!
it done in order so the people will understand the rital and to follow a long that why they have rules.
So that all the people that there will understand why its done that way. So that’s why they do it that way!!
Ceremony is a gathering of people who there to calibrate life!!
and the joy of living !
two_heads_talking:
I can see this thread spiraling out of control with the religion/politics being the main thing being talked about…
I think the runes look similar enough to me. As to what they are supposed to mean? Who really cares, the game is a game and the runes are just squigly lines, whether they came from Tolkien, Wicca, Pagan, German, Celtic or Adam. makes no nevermind to me…
Way too much focus on the wrong part of this thread… I mean let’s all debate the 40k tie ins to Christ and Christianity… It’s there, so what?
Patsy02:
I don’t get it, what is supposed to spiral out of control? 
The Futhark was used by pre-Christian Germanic cultures that people associate with the occult. these same cultures form the basis for the Dwarf concept in nearly all fantasy settings(started off by Tolkien), and bob’s your uncle.
chrixter:
I live in Uppsala, Sweden and here you’ll find loads of runes engraved in stones, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Runestones_in_Uppland. For me the association “CD runes” are to these and the viking age (which were, as stated before, a huge influence for Tolkien). However, you’ll find runes in lots of different cultures - after all, I guess that if you carve stuff in wood and on bone you’re easily fall into certain patterns 
One of the last cultures using runes were the Sami people (aka Laps) in northern scandinava and russia. Examples of sami runes found on relious drums: Sámi drums I think these quite nicely shows the merger of the scandinavian futharks and more pictorial runes.
two_heads_talking:
I don't get it, what is supposed to spiral out of control? :P The Futhark was used by pre-Christian Germanic cultures that people associate with the occult. these same cultures form the basis for the Dwarf concept in nearly all fantasy settings(started off by Tolkien), and bob's your uncle.You missed my point. When discussions start the threshold on politics and religion, usually it spirals out of control. Plain and simple, if people can stay away from that part of it, the thread will thrive, otherwise, it spirals into a wicca vs non-wicca and nothing good comes from that.
Patsy02
snowblizz:
Indeed. I'm so tempted, soooo tempted to say something.I don't get it, what is supposed to spiral out of control? :P The Futhark was used by pre-Christian Germanic cultures that people associate with the occult. these same cultures form the basis for the Dwarf concept in nearly all fantasy settings(started off by Tolkien), and bob's your uncle.You missed my point. When discussions start the threshold on politics and religion, usually it spirals out of control. Plain and simple, if people can stay away from that part of it, the thread will thrive, otherwise, it spirals into a wicca vs non-wicca and nothing good comes from that.
Patsy02
two_heads_talking
Baggronor:
Indeed. I'm so tempted, soooo tempted to say something.Well don't :) We've had enough trouble here recently.
snowblizz:
Don't worry if I was that inconsiderate I'd have said something already. :~ I was just pointing out the validity of T_H_T's point.Indeed. I'm so tempted, soooo tempted to say something.Well don't :) We've had enough trouble here recently.
Baggronor
Kera foehunter:
wow, this one sure spiral out of controll!!! LOOK OUT !!!
!!! It was the lucky rabbit foot i had that kept it from going a muck!!