So I saw this attached image posted on warseer regarding the path of the Orcs and Goblins (being green) and the Ogres (being the thin light blue line).
They are coming right through the dark lands. I know the dark lands have a large population of greenskins, but should we be concerned?
I know with the mass ogre migration coming from the mountains of mourn and the volcanos erupting caused some initial concern for myself. I discussed it a little with my group and they seem to think that GW wouldn’t do anything to jeopardize sales of FW Chaos Dwarfs so they will likely have the Legion of Azgorh joining up with Archaon’s hordes.
I know the outlook is grim for a lot of races in warhammer right now, but what do you guys think?
We can’t say anything for definite without seeing the paths further east, but going by that pic, it looks like the Ogres migrated far to the south of Zharr-Naggrund, possibly even south of all the major Chaos Dwarf holdings. The Greenskins look like they’re all draining out of the Darklands by heading west, so wouldn’t be going anywhere near the Chaos Dwarfs. If anything, it probably means that the armies of the Chaos Dwarfs will need to get more active and more boldly venture into the lands of the other races as the main source of slaves is rapidly drying up.
As I said above, without seeing the route the ogres took further east, we can’t say for definite, but it’s plausible that they went in a reasonably straight line across the Desolation of Azgoh from the Black Fortress to Death Pass, in which case they avoided the bulk of the Dawi Zharr Empire; that said, it’s also plausible that they took multiple routes through the Chaos Dwarf held lands, converged somewhere in the Desolation and then headed to Death Pass, so it is up for debate.
Fluff wise I would imagine that the the orcs+ogres if anything got equipment and goodies as they went through the dark lands and just did not fight us. Reason being we have massive slave orc and goblin armies, including ogre slaves and mercenaries, not to mention all of the advanced equipment technology and powerful magic at our disposal to fight off such an attack.
Now onto broader more substantial concerns, I actually feel very safe in that I invested in the LoA army, and it feels as if we are kind of removed from a lot of the huge changes, fluff, and destruction of armies which has been the case in pretty much all of 8th edition where we are only rarely mentioned in army books.
When 9th edition hits the game might have 6 factions supported by games workshop which people think will be:
Chaos humans Elves undead skaven orcs and goblins
And forgeworld will support one extra faction…
the legion of azgorh :hashut
Additionally, I could see this as an amazing opportunity for forgeworld to pick up discontinued factions for 9th edition. We could see a forgeworld rendition of Lizardmen, Ogres, Dwarves, Brettonia, aswell as others.
Or they could just say screw it, chaos dwarves are not profitable and kill us off lol.
Edit* I agree with Dinadan, those migration paths seem to completely ignore the CDwarf lands.
When 9th edition hits the game might have 6 factions supported by games workshop which people think will be:
Chaos
humans
Elves
undead
skaven
orcs and goblins
And forgeworld will support one extra faction...
the legion of azgorh :hashut
sam585
Unless the rumours of GW releasing units for six months which will get WD rules as an addon is true, in which case Chaos Dwarfs will get lumped in with Chaos with one or two units of CDs released every couple of years.
Now onto broader more substantial concerns, I actually feel very safe in that I invested in the LoA army, and it feels as if we are kind of removed from a lot of the huge changes, fluff, and destruction of armies which has been the case in pretty much all of 8th edition where we are only rarely mentioned in army books.
Now onto broader more substantial concerns, I actually feel very safe in that I invested in the LoA army, and it feels as if we are kind of removed from a lot of the huge changes, fluff, and destruction of armies which has been the case in pretty much all of 8th edition where we are only rarely mentioned in army books.
Unless the rumours of GW releasing units for six months which will get WD rules as an addon is true, in which case Chaos Dwarfs will get lumped in with Chaos with one or two units of CDs released every couple of years.
Dînadan
I don't see how warhammer forges model line would be connected in such a way though to be supported by that type of release system. They also had a perfectly good opportunity to incorporate us in the legions of chaos book and they did not, and I am not holding my breath to be incorporated in the last end times book.
We are a stand alone army, not supported by GW and GW so far has done their best to keep us apart from Warriors of Chaos, hellcannon notwithstanding.
Additionally I cant see us being affected by other rumored things like the model purges that would additionally attribute to the need to release new 6mo lines of models to make up for all the units that are going away.
My gut is big enough to rival an Ogre Tyrant, and I agree.
My gut thinks the reason we’ve not been mentioned in the ET isn’t that we’re miraculously going to be the only race to come through it all unscathed, not even that we will merge with a race that GW actually cares about. My gut thinks the reason we’ve not been mentioned is that we’re simply not important enough to GW to mention. We’ve already been squatted and just haven’t realised it yet.
On a side note this does kind of mean that the chaos dwarf population is greater than the actual dwarf population?
And even if we are squatted would it matter? I remember 5 or 6 years ago maybe 7years back in 7th edition when chaos dwarfs were being made from the BFSP box, and only barely popping up as a half a footnote in an army book as some sort of easter egg and the community for chaos dwarfs was good back then, hell their was not even alternative manufactures for chaos dwarfs back then like scibor, russian alternative, kings of war, or warthrone. After we got an actual big bone thrown at us with the LoA we still have not become mainstream with actual important fluff mentions everywhere, or even nods of existence in actual important events in the Warhammer world, outside of that Tamurkhan mention in the chaos book.
tl;dr Chaos dwarfs have never been important, but we are in an amazing place compared to where we were years ago, and likely are going to go through a cold period such as the one between the end of 6th edition - Tamurkhan.
On a side note this does kind of mean that the chaos dwarf population is greater than the actual dwarf population?
And even if we are squatted would it matter? I remember 5 or 6 years ago maybe 7years back in 7th edition when chaos dwarfs were being made from the BFSP box, and only barely popping up as a half a footnote in an army book as some sort of easter egg and the community for chaos dwarfs was good back then, hell their was not even alternative manufactures for chaos dwarfs back then like scibor, russian alternative, kings of war, or warthrone. After we got an actual big bone thrown at us with the LoA we still have not become mainstream with actual important fluff mentions everywhere, or even nods of existence in actual important events in the Warhammer world, outside of that Tamurkhan mention in the chaos book.
tl;dr Chaos dwarfs have never been important, but we are in an amazing place compared to where we were years ago, and likely are going to go through a cold period such as the one between the end of 6th edition - Tamurkhan.
sam585
Agreed. And I would imagine with the attacks on Karaz-a-Karak being pretty much the "last stand of the Dawi" that the numbers of our insolent cousins have been diminished fairly significantly.
Couple that with the fact that beyond slaving expeditions, the Dawi Zharr typically stay pretty holed up safe in our vast towers behind vast hordes of the subjugated and broken, I imagine our numbers are hovering at around normal.
And we did get one BRIEF mention of the sorcerer Korakagrakk's "magma beasts" on page 102, chapter 5 of the Glottkin book. That coupled with the paint "Hashut Copper" and our, in my opinion, phenomenal forge world models. You can consider me set in terms of "safe acknowledgement".
And now with all of the end times rumors circulating for once I stand at the precipice with all of my other game buddies who are now wondering how long until THEIR army is invalidated for once, rather than just me as usual. #painsofachaosdwarfplayer
We are the sons and daughters of the father of darkness, and we shall endure! :hat off
Yeah, that’s… that’s not a lot. Take out all the references to Black Orcs, then take out all the maps that show part of the Dark Lands in the corner only because the map is square and the Warhammer World isn’t, and… there’s not much left.
Now, I’m not saying that when GW squat us, it’s the end of the world (we’ve been through it before, we need not fear going through it again) but three sentences in a thousand pages of fluff plus a paint name, are no indication that we won’t get squatted.
We've been mentioned a lot of time in 8th edition. Just check the wiki [[Chaos Dwarf References]].
Bloodbeard
You call that alot;)
sam585
@Sam: It�?Ts not just about the volume of fluff, it�?Ts the quality of the fluff.
You cannot argue this is not a great piece of fluff:
White Dwarf 302
The Ivory Road.
'flesh-eating Dwarf slavers who wear masks of iron and take their blacksmith's tools to their captives in brutal and length displays of torture'.
Classic.
By the way pics have been leaked showing a combined army of Dwarfs and Ogre�?Ts fighting Skaven.
I'll bet anyone 100 Slaves, that Chaos Dwarfs are mentioned in the next the End Times Book, I�?Tve pre-ordered it and will have it on the 16th January 2015.
I'll bet anyone 100 Slaves, that Chaos Dwarfs are mentioned in the next the End Times Book, I�?Tve pre-ordered it and will have it on the 16th January 2015.
I'll bet anyone 100 Slaves, that Chaos Dwarfs are mentioned in the next the End Times Book, I�?Tve pre-ordered it and will have it on the 16th January 2015.
I'll bet anyone 100 Slaves, that Chaos Dwarfs are mentioned in the next the End Times Book, I�?Tve pre-ordered it and will have it on the 16th January 2015.
Wolf
Your on!
MadHatter
I really hope your gonna loose those slaves MadHatter.
I’d have taken the same bet if it were just a little bit tighter.
A sentence mentioning Chaos Dwarfs as supplying Hellcannons to Archaon’s hordes? Yeah, that could happen.
A description of the Chaos Dwarfs going to war, or what they’re doing while the End Times are going on, or a Chaos Dwarf character, or the fate of the Dark Lands once the End Times reach their climax, or a battle involving the Chaos Dwarfs, or anything of actual substance? No chance.
