Honeym123:
Have anyone seen the draft 3 for ETC? The destroyer now counts as two warmachines ?! Is it worth taking now? What are you guyes going to do now?
Kind regards
Samanos:
it was the same back in draft 2. and no its (still) not worth it. I dont really care personally as I dont use him anyway. prefer a dread and a hellcannon.
actually the new draft is a complete dissapointment in my opinion.
Beastmen and WE 2700?? rofl
BABIS:
the only purpose of this draft was to limit the playability of the destroyer…
it still could be used in assault lists ( with the other 2 wm slots you can buy a hellcannon and a iron deamon which are assaultish pieces in my opinion)… maybe in defense lists only 2 wms are not enough…
with this draft I want try 2 lists…
one defensive with 4 wms and a unit of fireborns which will do the destroyer’s job ( more or less)
and one… with 3 iron deamons 
Honeym123:
I think it only counted as 1 warmachine in draft 2. Well im running 4 iron deamons next time. Thats for sure :hat off
Bolg:
Its not worth it. a experienced player will pin it down or kill it easily. hell cannon (or 2 ) is a better bet.
glad i’m not going this year, i’ve been twice, i’ve had my share and I dont really know what the fuss is all about.
Honeym123:
Another build would just be a k’daai and two magma cannons for the rest. Thoose bad boys always makes their points back
BABIS:
Another build would just be a k'daai and two magma cannons for the rest. Thoose bad boys always makes their points backyes I think it could work, even if the magmas have a relatively short range and you could suffer from that..
Honeym123
Geist:
So in other words ETC shows once again that they are just as arsed about everything as GW is about rules? Make it count as 2 warmachines? Really? Thats pointless, as in it only serves to limit the already limited choices in a elite point starved army. If the morons that play ETC wold actually play warhammer they would realize something very fast. Take a guy with a decent armour save mount him and then give him dragon bane gem. Holly crap you just made the skull cracker and all fire born almost 100% useless. As this guy can charge into any of those units and lock them for an entire game. Also first person to bring up not everyone has such a character in there army, gets whacked with my flaming hammer. A mount that is just a horse or horse type is dirt cheap and the ward save is 5pts. So no one can complain period. You go to a tourney you take a guy like that, why because chaos dwarfs exist and such a dude will be good for running interfenece. ETC for the fail yet again. ETC LEARN TO PLAY AND STOP PULLING A OLD SCHOOL GAV THORPE TRICK (refence to his days when he wrote the dwarf army books and could never win a game so he kept making them better).
Samanos:
So in other words ETC shows once again that they are just as arsed about everything as GW is about rules? Make it count as 2 warmachines? Really? Thats pointless, as in it only serves to limit the already limited choices in a elite point starved army. If the morons that play ETC wold actually play warhammer they would realize something very fast. Take a guy with a decent armour save mount him and then give him dragon bane gem. Holly crap you just made the skull cracker and all fire born almost 100% useless. As this guy can charge into any of those units and lock them for an entire game. Also first person to bring up not everyone has such a character in there army, gets whacked with my flaming hammer. A mount that is just a horse or horse type is dirt cheap and the ward save is 5pts. So no one can complain period. You go to a tourney you take a guy like that, why because chaos dwarfs exist and such a dude will be good for running interfenece. ETC for the fail yet again. ETC LEARN TO PLAY AND STOP PULLING A OLD SCHOOL GAV THORPE TRICK (refence to his days when he wrote the dwarf army books and could never win a game so he kept making them better).God I just love it when this guy starts raging:P
Geist
Baggronor:
I genuinely do not understand how people are still having trouble dealing with the Destroyer. VCs, HEs and WoC don’t even need to use the Dragonbane Gem to counter him, Ethereals, Phoenixes and any Tzeentch Guy can do it. Most of the other armies have war machines or other stuff to kill it with.
I thought those ETC guys were supposed to be good at Warhammer? 
Honeym123:
luckely not all tournaments use the ETC restrictions Im defintly gonna consider it before joining the comming etc tournaments again.
KramDratta:
I suspect that being one of the most comped armies is more due to the fact that Chaos Dwarfs are the only Forgeworld army than it has to do with the K’Daai.
Another thing could be, that since very few people will take them, people might actually prefer if they are over comped, since it won’t affect their own team but might make for easier matchups.
Honeym123:
Guess so. Have any of you tried complaining to another Hammer player? The only response I get is - “Thank god that OP monster is finally proberably comped”. It sucks big time!
Ceann Fine:
I think it counting as two warmachines OR 2 of hellcannon/k’daai/prophet on death would have been better
Baggronor:
The only response I get is - "Thank god that OP monster is finally proberably comped". It sucks big time!My gaming group thought like that for a while. Then they got over it and adapted their tactics. Now they moan about Daemon Princes :)
Gunnerson:
I dont mind a comped list but I think my idea of a comped list is very different than these guys. We dont have any sort of ETC(no idea what that is). What we have here is somthing like not more than 3 Warmachines and 2 missle units for a total of 5 shooting unit. Not more than 12 dice per magic phase except for night goblin shaman. That sort of thing. That actually is most of the comp for a sold out tourney comming up in mid June 100 players! We have 2 big events here per year one in January and one that falls some time between June-July. All lists are submited to the judgeing staff prior to the event. If the list violates one of the restrictions it gets sent back for revision. The larger of the two events is a team event. This one gets lists of similar "hardness" paired and then the team captians set the matches.The only response I get is - "Thank god that OP monster is finally proberably comped". It sucks big time!My gaming group thought like that for a while. Then they got over it and adapted their tactics. Now they moan about Daemon Princes :)
Baggronor
Ceann Fine:
Sorry was looking at the draft
Geist:
Draft or not ETC is full morons. Now I say that about the ruling party that makes the bullshit changes, not the actual players. There are a fair number of really good players that go to the ETC. Mainly because its a elite player mindset or like a rugby team, thats the only factor I can figure. Now while these asinine changes do make the game more of a challenge (another reason why people do this), the changes are almost always knee jerk reactions. Not based on actual thought or tactical acumen. This is very obvious by the simple way in which changes are done and how little sense they make. I will give a handful of examples that just prove that ETC is done via knee jerk instead of actual thought.
(these examples are form past ETC verisions and I have no clue or care if they are current the simple fact they were done is all one needs to see its idiotic)
Dark elves grouping all flyers as 1-3 restriction. This means some moron saw harpies in the same threat group as lords and heroes on Pegasus.
Beast Men get extra 200 or so points, an already dirty army made dirtier by getting extra points. Anyone who thinks beastmen are soft is nuts they have very hard builds. To include the pigstar, nasty build seen it in action damn near impossible to beat if built right and played well. (pig star 18 razorgors in a 6by6 with bsb and general nearby).
Chaos dwarfs do I really need to explain what all they have done to our army?
I could go on but why? ETC needs to be made into its own game system and set far away from warhammer. If the jackasses that actually made the etc changes did it with actual logic and thought instead of “OMG THATS TOO GOOD QUICK BAN IT RESTRICT IT NERF IT” That line of thought has never worked for me and never will. Anyone who does that deserves to suck and loose every game.
BAN ETC
Grimbold Blackhammer:
I’m not affected by ETC but I honestly pity the folks who are. I can appreciate the efforts they are making but 6th and 7th editions are long gone so I don’t think playing in the ETC “nanny-state” is needed anymore. The ETC may use Warhammer as their core rule set but they stopped playing “Warhammer” a long time ago. So if you don’t want to use those rules, start your own tournament. And vote with your feet! If you don’t like ETC rules, don’t attend their events. Also write them letters. I doubt they are completely inflexible and do appreciate input. ETC isn’t going to go away or change just because people write stuff randomly on the Internet.
Honeym123:
Where can I get it contact with the guys who make the restrictions?