[Archive] Firing from a building FAQ from rulebook

Grimstonefire:

For those who have not read it:

Q. How do I resolve the shooting of a unit of Chaos

Dwarf Blunderbusses firing from inside a building?


A. Their �?~fire zone�?T is as wide as the face of the building

they are firing from. The hits are Strength 3, +1 for every

storey from which another five blunderbusses can fire.
Has anyone used this?

It seems to me that as there is no upper strength limit if we build a nice long building with 7 floors, and get a big unit in there… :idea :smiley:

Nice to see some sort of rules support for them in 7th anyway.

wallacer:

If you can be bothered making a 7 storey building for Warhammer then you deserve to be able to autokill chariots :smiley:

Tarrakk Blackhand:

This looks like a job for Nicolae Ceau�Yescu!



The Palace of the Parliament (Romanian: Palatul Parlamentului) in Bucharest, Romania is a multi-purpose building containing both chambers of the Romanian Parliament. According to the Guinness Book of World Records, the Palace is the world’s largest civilian administrative building (The Pentagon is the largest overall), most expensive administrative building, and heaviest building.

The Palace measures 270 m by 240 m, 86 m high, and 92 m under ground. It has 1,100 rooms, 2 underground parking garages and is 12 stories tall, with four additional underground levels currently available and in use, with another four in different stages of completion.

wallacer:

Nicolae Ceau�Yescu certainly would have made a great Chaos Dwarf.

Surpassed probably only by Stalin.

Scion:

S7 12" firing zone ouch that would certainly annoy.

grupax:

:idea time to start making scenery for my gaming club

Tarrakk Blackhand:

I wonder how you scale down the Romanian Parlement building into Warhammer scale.

Even then, I doubt it would easily fit on a 4x8 board.

Ancient History:

I always read that as capping at S5, just like ranks. That’s just me though.

snowblizz:

I always read that as capping at S5, just like ranks. That's just me though.

Ancient History
I was going to say the same thing. Since the regular rules stop at S5 this probably should as well. Considering most normal people don't build 4 story houses I guess they didn't think of that. As usual they continue to underestimate the player's ability to creatively interpret rules.

AGPO:

I’d disagree with the last two posts. If you read how dangerous enflading fire from fortified buildings was to attacking forces, even compared to a normal gunline, it strikes me that the extra stregth is warrented should the Chaos Dwarfs occupy a sufficiently large building. Also, any building of four stories or more is likely to be a centrepiece to the battlefield and therefore a pretty formidable defensive obstacle to overcome.

cornixt:

Now is the time to contemplate 60 inches of strength 10 doom for anything that approaches. Might be best to split it into several buildings though so sacrifical flyers/cavalry don’t take out all your shooting by charging into combat first.

The Brain:

I am not even going to give this a second thought, if you want to but units in building then play 40K. In you are going to play fantasy then all you should consider that is even close to a building is a castle wall or barricades in which case the standard rules apply.

Loki:

We have always played it that they are strength 3 in a building as its says in the rules, once it enters a building, the unit is assumed to disperse as individual soldiers take up positions at windows and doorways, and spread thought its storeys. As such a unit in a building has no ranks, no flanks and no rear. this is on page 97 of the mini rule book and as a unit in a building has no ranks and as our strength comes from our ranks we revert to our basic strength of 3 :frowning:

Thommy H:


We have always played it that they are strength 3 in a building as its says in the rules, once it enters a building, the unit is assumed to disperse as individual soldiers take up positions at windows and doorways, and spread thought its storeys. As such a unit in a building has no ranks, no flanks and no rear. this is on page 97 of the mini rule book and as a unit in a building has no ranks and as our strength comes from our ranks we revert to our basic strength of 3 :(


Loki
Not according to the actual FAQ.

I've always interpreted it, like Ancient History, to mean it still maxes out at 5. However, the Strength bonus comes from additional ranks - you can only use those extra ranks in a unit because there's only so far the guns can fire. In a building there can be a "rank" on each floor, with no upper limit so, logically, the Strength can go as high as you want.

I don't know that I'd actually play it that way though.

Loki:

Well if thats the case my blunderbusses will have to strat kicking down some doors and making them selves at home :slight_smile:

cornixt:

Manipulating this rule is like taking two Earthshakers. It may be completely legal (or as legal as an FAQ really is), but you won’t make any friends. It is quite nice to imagine such awesome power, even if it is a bit unfair when taekn to the extreme.

Tarrakk Blackhand:

you won't make any friends.

cornixt
There's no "Friends" in war!

(Just joking!)

Willmark:

Manipulating this rule is like taking two Earthshakers. It may be completely legal (or as legal as an FAQ really is), but you won't make any friends. It is quite nice to imagine such awesome power, even if it is a bit unfair when taken to the extreme.

cornixt
Sure but when playing with a outdated PDF list against th likes of Wood Elves, VCs, Empire gun lines, DoC and DEs we can be forgiven.

AGPO:

I am not even going to give this a second thought, if you want to but units in building then play 40K. In you are going to play fantasy then all you should consider that is even close to a building is a castle wall or barricades in which case the standard rules apply.

The Brain
Ordinary buildings have been occupied on battlefields as strategic positions for thousands of years. Just look at the farm houses at Waterloo. Without that enflading fire on the advancing enemy the French may have recorded their first military victory ;)

The Brain:



AGPO
Ordinary buildings have been occupied on battlefields as strategic positions for thousands of years. Just look at the farm houses at Waterloo. Without that enflading fire on the advancing enemy the French may have recorded their first military victory ;)

The Brain
I understand that, and buildings continue to be a present feature even on the modern battlefield. That being said there are rules problems enough in WHFB without adding a hodge podge of FAQ and loosely interpreted rules for buildings. In my opinion this adds more complexity to a game that is supposed to be fun. There are plenty of other GW related games that I could use multiple level buildings in, I see no reason to flood my warhammer battlefield with them simply because GW wants to make a buck on their new plastic terrain. My friends and I decided along time ago that other than a castle siege most buildings are just cool looking obstacles on the table. I�?Tm not telling anyone else how to play with them, just saying that we don�?Tt have any use for this rule.