Heavygear:
Its less flying, more being able to move through units and terrain. Makes perfect sense since they are made of magical fire.
Thommy H:
I can see a justification for them flying, it’s just a bit wacky because they didn’t have it before and in the other compendiums there’s been an explanation if something could “fly” without actually flying (like ethereal units, the Green Knight, etc.). It’s fine though.
Heavygear:
I don’t know. There is some potential here I think. You probably aren’t going to play the same list you have been playing for Fantasy.
Using the models in my collection I can field the following list
Drazoath
4 Daemonsmiths
Lamassu
Blackshard Warhost - Castellans, 2 blocks of 25 Ironsworn, 2 units of 5 Infernal guard w/fireglaives
Hashut’s Wrath Artillery Train - Deamonsmith, Deathshrieker x 2, 2x Iron Daemons
Skullcracker
Magma Cannon
Dreadquake Mortar
Kdaii Destroyer/Great Taurus
I’ll throw in some goblin fodder - 1 unit of 40 and 2 units of 20 archers because I can.
Battle plan
Castle up and shoot for 2 turns while spamming fireborn. I’m thinking of converting dryads for a cheap option. Yeah, its fairly dirty but since we are in the age of frakking sigmar and GW didn’t see fit to give us balanced rules, why not?
Iron daemons shoot for two turns, then charge with fireglaives in support or fireglaives can baby sit the warmachines.
Destroyer charges things.
Skullcracker moves forward to hit enemy warmachines along with fireborn. Do things like the empire steamtank and skaven doomwheel, screaming bell count as warmachines now?
Fireborn hunt chaff act as chaff along with goblin archers
Lamassu flies around casting spells and maybe hunting characters or chaff
Inronsworn lock shields behind the goblins and wait to mop up.
Drazoath supports the Infernal Guard. Casts spells as needed.
Of course I have yet to play AoS because everyone in my meta has sworn a blood oath against GW for spewing it upon us. My normal opponents are all sticking with 8th while simultaneously trying out Chaos Wars. 9th age is a possibility as well. Since the Buckeye Battles tournament is such a determining factor locally, I expect whatever they choose to go with will become the standard.
Heavygear:
I can see a justification for them flying, it's just a bit wacky because they didn't have it before and in the other compendiums there's been an explanation if something could "fly" without actually flying (like ethereal units, the Green Knight, etc.). It's fine though.You were right the first time.
Thommy H
Because Forge World took the lazy way out and made the destroyer a great Taurus(aka lame) and they fly.
Plus you know. Magic.
Timothy Archer:
Come on. Zero compatibility with the old models, I haven’t seen blunderbusses too, and the lammasu!
It’s absolutely ridiculous compared to thommy homemade rules, once again the proof that the community is way better than the official jam
Heavygear:
Come on. Zero compatibility with the old models, I haven't seen blunderbusses too, and the lammasu!Lamassu rules were released day one in the Warriors of Chaos war scrolls right beside the rules for Great Taurus. You can't ride it but it is a survivable wizard. And fluffy. Blunderbuss = Fireglaive. What other rules did you need? There were more than a few "older than big hats" models that did not get rules in LoA.
It's absolutely ridiculous compared to thommy homemade rules, once again the proof that the community is way better than the official jam
Timothy Archer
Laurellien:
I may be wrong here, but are there no rules for blunderbusses or lords/sorcerers mounted on taurus/lammasu?
Lord Elpus:
Er… where’s the blunderbusses???
I will miss the ramalamassu!
Sure we can use O&G rules, but I remember wehn they were slaves that we could use anyway!!
I feel that this has really limited the army, and I know there’s a lot of folk out there right now, not too happy with the new scroll!
Thommy H:
All right, let’s not get personal here…
TheHoodedMan:
There is no need to get childish. I thought this was a more mature forum, so let's act that way please.Thank you :cheers.
Still standing
At least most of the models can be officially played with AoS now - for those who like to play that system.
The rules are reallistically what could be expected (of course I hoped for more, too) and they were published faster than expected.
Probably the existing range will be produced some time now and no need to fear a sudden stop (it seems).
Bloodbeard:
Admin Intervention
This thread was getting out of hand. I’ve had it closed and deleted a lot of posts in it. Here’s a few things to consider/remember:
- This thread is for discussing the FW warscrolls. Discuss the rules, stick to the subject.
- AoS has a lot of people angry and a lot of people happy. We can’t change that. Let the people liking AoS discuss it in AoS threads. No need to tell how angry or bad you think it is. It’s irrelevant when discussing FWs warscrolls.
CDO is bigger than one system or one publisher. Respect that.
No need to spam a thread with how bad you find KoW, let the KoW’ers have their discussion in related threads. No need to say “No army without points” in a thread related to AoS.
Personally I don’t think I’ll ever play AoS. But I read the warscrolls and I follow your discussion with interest. I like the comparing this FW stuff with all the cool material made by Chaos Dwarf loving hobbyists.
Thanks. Please continue discussing these scrolls.
Aromat:
Nice :). Will field some earthquakes. Strange there is no mention to Hellcannon Referring to Woc pdf.
Vex:
Well that’s disappointing.
Looks like I wont need to convert a kadaii destroyer after all. And why the hell was the sorcerer prophet removed?
Thommy H:
Same reason mounted Bretonnian Paladins, Dwarf Thanes and Imperial Captains were removed - AoS doesn’t have the division between lords and heroes now: warscroll compendiums generally just contain the lord version, whose profile you can use as either. A hypothetical Sorcerer Prophet wouldn’t be any different from the Daemonsmith give here.
Tarrakk Blackhand:
I was hoping to be the first one to post this, being a GW retailer, but you guys must have got the notification in Britian faster than I did in Canada. … Well, I think I will allow both Thommy H and Forgeworld’s versions in my store (Monster Hobbies in High River, Alberta). Time to consider building up my Chaos Dwarf Army again…or my Azgorh army, whatever the case may be.
Vex:
Same reason mounted Bretonnian Paladins, Dwarf Thanes and Imperial Captains were removed - AoS doesn't have the division between lords and heroes now: warscroll compendiums generally just contain the lord version, whose profile you can use as either. A hypothetical Sorcerer Prophet wouldn't be any different from the Daemonsmith give here.Still disappointing since Sorcerer Prophets are the leaders of the CD's and aren't represented. Daemonsmiths aren't all that great in the warscroll.
Thommy H
Kaleb Daark:
the warscrolls are model driven.
remember there are no armies as such now, only factions.
we need to remember that It’s model driven (so far), so apart from the four page rules, everything else is in the model’s warscroll, otherwise they’d be forever updating the wizard’s scrolls for example, or releasing summoning spells as their own scroll.
The 8th ed. armybook conversions are essentially warscrolls for the miniatures produced for that model line, nothing more.
GW kept their pledge by producing rules which “allow you to use your existing miniatures”. miniatures is the keyword here, not army.
New customers will just be told that they can play and field anything they like the look of, so buy what you like and bring it to the table.
AoS fundamentally forces you to think in models collected rather than army composition terms.
The rules on the scroll are very simple, perhaps too simple, which is where the confusion lies.
fued:
I was hoping to be the first one to post this, being a GW retailer, but you guys must have got the notification in Britian faster than I did in Canada. .....actually found it posted on an aussie site 7 hours before i posted it lol
Tarrakk Blackhand
Tyranoth The Ashen:
And no Lammasu rider :(Warriors of chaos, page 48. just ad 1 extra spell or something.
Parish
moogoodoo:
its not that grate a list for me 
me an my friends play games of 11 warscrolls with max 2 charters so to make a unit of ten ig its going to cost me 2 warscrolls