Just a quick rule clarification, I was in a game using my new K�?TDaai Fireborn (3 wide by 2 deep) against a High Elf player who charged his Phoenix Guard (5 wide by 3 deep) in to my K�?TDaai Fireborn, as we commenced the combat phase I started to add up the Blazing Body Auto Str 4 hits against the front rank of Phoenix guard giving a total number of 5 hits.
I understood the rule for Blazing Body, to be that any model in base contact takes a Str 4 Auto Hit, however my opponent asked the question is it a Str 4 hit for each K�?TDaai Fireborn in base contact. To keep the game moving we played as this was not the case and rolled the 5 hits one of which killed his champion ;P. However if we played the other way this would have increased the flaming hits from 5 to 9 :hashut.
My question is technically, do you add up each model in base contact for each model with teh Blazing Body rule?
As a side note, later in the game my Bale Taurus and K�?TDaai Fireborn charged in to his sword masters, which again posed the same question.
Play it as: A strength 4 for each model in contact with the blazing body unit. That takes care of both problems.
Ex. Your fireborn has smashed in the front of the swordmasters and the bale taurus in the flank. The corner swordmasters takes strength 4 hits as the only one.
Play it as: A strength 4 for each model in contact with the blazing body unit. That takes care of both problems.
Ex. Your fireborn has smashed in the front of the swordmasters and the bale taurus in the flank. The corner swordmasters takes strength 4 hits as the only one.
Bloodbeard
@Bloodbeard: that actually makes more sense to play it as a unit rather than the stacking of muliple targets vs not stacking of mulitple targets including other units.
“Any model in base contact with a K’daii” can only mean each model can be hit once. Else the wording wording would have been something like: “For each Kdaii in basecontact with a model”
The wording is quite specific in Tamurkhan:
"Any model in base contact with a K'daii" can only mean each model can be hit once. Else the wording wording would have been something like: "For each Kdaii in basecontact with a model"
Malorndk
@Malorndk: the Blazing Body for the Taurus states �?oAny model�?��?�. take an automatic Strength 4 hit at the start of the Close Combat phase�?�.
This would infer that if a K�?TDaai and a Taurus are both in contact with a model, it would stack as the K�?TDaai for Blazing body is only for a K�?TDaai?
Otherwise the wording would be �?ofor each model with the special rule Blazing Body in base contact with a model�?�.
It has to be a British way of playing games, for example Football (Soccer) exactly the same issues. Arguments, unfair judgment call etc.
Saying that, I do enjoy the debate, but would much prefer LoA to be a GW book rather than a FW book, as it would avoid this constant it�?Ts because �?oFW wrote them so they will be a bit wonky�?� Quote from Sustainable Centre YouTube channel - Chaos dwarf army book review.
I suppose it is meant to be that a model in contact with one or more models with the blazing body rule takes only 1 str 4 hit, regardless how many “blazing body models” there are, even if this is not clearly stated at the taurus rules. In my opinion thats a clear example of “rules as intended”.
Count the number of models in base to base with the unit or unit of models (unit being one model, unit of models being a unit with more than one model making up the unit), roll to wound each model that was counted above once at st4 flaming. Do this before combat starts, it counts towards combat res. Simple done.
A further clarification, I was in a game against a Beastmen player whom is a particularly good general and nearly wiped the floor with me, in the end I only had one Daemonsmith left on the table by turn six, anyway my some background to my question.
My Sorcerer-Prophet on a Bale was in a combat with two of his horde units and my lord was surrounded, his Lord issued a challenge and I accepted. It then came to the Blazing body rule discussion. My Bale was touching 9 models, however he said as I�?Tm in a challenge no other models are classed as touching. We decided to leave it to fate and we rolled it off and he won.
He then Combat res�?Td me and I broke and he ran me down, it took him three turns, but this was largely due to the fact we had multiple combats and as I killed the easier choices and cut down the stragglers my other units were no longer counted as been in combat for the res result.
So my question is, when a SP on Bale is in a challenge, do you still get the blazing body special rule for all models in base contact.
So my question is, when a SP on Bale is in a challenge, do you still get the blazing body special rule for all models in base contact.
Wolf
No, just as no other character tricks kills of enemies when in a challenge. Everything is focused on the opponent. Your opponent was right. And congratulations to the beastmen player! Unless playing ETC that list is pretty bad.
From the rule book: If a character accepts the challenge, move him into base contact with the challenger �?" after all, what good is the narrative of a challenge without the visual reality? If, for whatever reason, this is not possible, assume that the two models are in base contact.
In the old rule it was described how the other fighters would form a circle to ensure there was space for the dueling heroes - while their own fighting still continued. Bringing a dragon into a challenge, it'll thunder stomp with its big giant dragon feet - but will for some reason still only hit the goblin champion. Same goes for k'daii toasting. Not logical - but great for simplicity.
1 Any and all special rules that happen before combat. In this case it is blazing body. This happens before combat that means before challenges. Another rule that would have a similar effect would be impact hits.
2 The current players turn now has the option to issue a challenge. The challenged party of course must move, but this is done before any swings are made and after things that happen BEFORE combat (IE impact hits and blazing body for examples).
3 Now combat begins with initiative step and of course ASF first and ASL last.
So here is how your combat would have gone on.
1Burn all models in base to base combat (and yes they do count for combat res).
2Issuie a challenge.
3Make way with any characters if a challenge was not issued or could have been refused.
Begin combat from ASF to ASL in step order.
Side note, Herby you are starting to wear at my nerves. This is your second post with nothing but pure vitriol and hate in it. While I do my faro share of moaning I offer something helpful back, your two post are not helpful. Either cram a sock in it or start posting suggestions on how to make problems better.
Thanks Geist. Better thinking there than my sleep deprived brain. I’ll send some slaves over to you. Now how about “round 2” of a challenge? Still get to do all the burning body hits then? Or are the two models considered to be by themselves?
1 Day latter and part 2 shall now be answered by the all knowing ME!!!
Ok onto the serious business of answering rules.
Most of the above that I laid out will remain the same for the second round of the challenge. It is vital to note a few things though.
1 Stomps can only be done to the target model in the challenge. So assuming everything lives dont forget to do that at end of round of challenge.
2 Round two follow the above format but bare in mind a few small things. Blazing body is not a stomp and it effects ALL models in base to base. So yes it will burn whoever is in base to base to include the challenger. Then combat and if your alive at the end stomp the challenger again.
@Geist: Thanks for all the advice it�?Ts really appreciated.
Just so I�?Tm completely clear, you�?Tre indicating that Blazing Body is rolled every turn on all models in base contact regardless if my SP is in a Challenge?
As best as I can figure by the rules, you will effect all models in base to base contact. I just over looked the FAQ’s and nothing suggest that it would not work. In fact the rules state that other models cant attack the mount or rider only the challenger can. Also the mount can only thunderstomp the model in the challenge. But neither of these rules effect the blazing body rule. Don’t forget that in some situations the blazing body will in some cases kill a challenger before they can even do the challenge.
1 Blazing body kicks off.
2 Challenges are issued.
3 Challenged models are moved to challenger.
4 See my other post for how the rest of the madness goes on.
Also in case it wasn’t clear yes every turn. burn baby burn.