Spencer:
Hi everybody!
I’m not sure that I’m in the right section, so excuse me if it’s not the case. My questions are the following:
- Spell 5 Hammer of Hashut: Can my ennemy do a “look out sir” for his characters?
- Spell 6 Flames of Azgorh: The model who is under the central point has to do a T test with -2 or die. If he survies, does he takes also the S6 (multiples wounds D6) or not?
Thanks! :hat off
MadHatter:
Question 1: yes because the extended line counts as a template.
Question 2: yep :cheers
Zanthrax:
Sorry if this has been answered but does open / no terrain count as dangerous terrain when a unit is hit by ash storm?
Cheers
Bloodbeard:
Sorry if this has been answered but does open / no terrain count as dangerous terrain when a unit is hit by ash storm?Yes. Rulebook states open terrain is terrain. One of the first pages in the book.
Cheers
Zanthrax
TheHoodedMan:
And reforming?
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Zanthrax:
Thanks blood beard
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gashnag:
And marchingSorry if this has been answered but does open / no terrain count as dangerous terrain when a unit is hit by ash storm?Yes. Rulebook states open terrain is terrain. One of the first pages in the book.
Cheers
Zanthrax
But remember the test is only taken when charging, pursueing, fleeing. So the test only works if the ash stormed unit is broken or following somebody.
Bloodbeard
Bloodbeard:
And reforming?No. I read about some people doing it in battle reports. There was a beastman player who had a shaman leave a unit and toke a dangerous terrain test, because of it counting as a reform.
TheHoodedMan
Geist:
Pretty much the only way ashstorm forces a dangerous terrain check is the following:
Breaking from combat.
Panic Check.
I am unsure about reforming. As far as I know that would not trigger it as its not one of the restricted movements.
MadHatter:
The restricted moves, a.i. Charge, March become illegal during Ashstorm so the question comes down to,
Does reforming while in dangerous terrain cause tests, aswell as is open terrain still terrain? I’d say yes and yes but I’m not 100% sure.
Bloodbeard:
Does reforming while in dangerous terrain cause tests, aswell as is open terrain still terrain? I'd say yes and yes but I'm not 100% sure.No and yes. Not anywhere does any rule imply reforming causing DT test or counting as a march. I've checked under 'reforming', 'dangerous terrain', 'free reform', 'combat reform', FAQ and asked the internet. But please prove me wrong - ashstorm would me really insane. Open ground/terrain is counted terrain. BRB says so under battlefield terrain p. 116.
MadHatter
MadHatter:
I see what you mean, I sadly dont have my tamurkhan on the train but reforming should need to be counted as "normal movement", a quick reform however is not normal as a musician is required so I believe the test would trigger, yay or nay?Does reforming while in dangerous terrain cause tests, aswell as is open terrain still terrain? I'd say yes and yes but I'm not 100% sure.No and yes. Not anywhere does any rule imply reforming causing DT test or counting as a march. I've checked under 'reforming', 'dangerous terrain', 'free reform', 'combat reform', FAQ and asked the internet. But please prove me wrong - ashstorm would me really insane. Open ground/terrain is counted terrain. BRB says so under battlefield terrain p. 116.
MadHatter
Ashstorm prevents a unit charging and marching. But:
Unit is ashstormed and shot/magiced to pieces. Breaks from panic and takes a DT test.
Unit flees from any other reason while ashstormed. Charged by terror monster, flee as charge reactoon etc.
Unit is in combat and ashstormed. Wins combat and pursues enemy. Takes DT test.
Unit is in combat and ashstormed. Looses, breaks and flees. Takes DT test.
They can move basic move and reform with no DT test.
Bloodbeard
Geist:
I agree that a reform would not trigger it as that is not a march move. (there is the verbiage I think we need to look for).
While a SWIFT reform is a march move and while legal(as its not one of the unallowed movements), would trigger a DT as it is a march movement.
Bloodbeard:
While a SWIFT reform is a march move and while legal(as its not one of the unallowed movements), would trigger a DT as it is a march movement.I've looked and re-looked and I can't find this anywhere. Please quote the rulebook. Oppossed to your claim the rulebook says p.95 under quick reform "a quick reform is treated exactly like a reform manoeuvre". With the exception that you can move and/or fire afterwards. Nowhere does it say "count as marching".
Geist
TheHoodedMan:
I asked this above because there is a Wood elf spell which causes DT Tests also. And the player who cast it on me stated that a reform would trigger the test because it`s part of the movement. It was logical to me because in a reform be it quick or not, movement or combat phase, all models in the unit have to move.
I will check if I find something in general about reforming and DT.
MadHatter:
I asked this above because there is a Wood elf spell which causes DT Tests also. And the player who cast it on me stated that a reform would trigger the test because it`s part of the movement. It was logical to me because in a reform be it quick or not, movement or combat phase, all models in the unit have to move.Our group does DT-tests when reforming in DT and DT-tests for cav and chariots when reforming in forests etc. so here Ashstorm is played as; removing charge and march options, allowing normal reform, flee/pursuit/quick reform cause DT-test :)
I will check if I find something in general about reforming and DT.
TheHoodedMan
Bloodbeard:
Our group does DT-tests when reforming in DT.Why? I can't find that in no bloody rules.
MadHatter