cornixt:
I started to write a basic one, then I discovered that there already was one (can’t remember what it is called).
I’ve with Metro on this, CDs could easily fit into the Chaos army and it would not be the end of the world. We might lose a few shooting units but at least we would be in a book, rather than this horrible semi-official situation we are currently in. Even with CDs as special we could fill the core with HGs as marauders, taurus represents a dragon, etc.
Xander:
We’ll all have to wait and see what happens! Until then, just keep the spirit alive. 
No use arguing over what might or might not be! 
Nazhur:
Very true Xander. i have not given up yet and after this many years, why stop now. We CD are stubborn ones
Willmark:
Of course Metro’s lists is just one possible option that GW might go with.
Here are their options as far as I see it:
1) go with a new book/list rumored for Q3, 2009.
2) roll the CDs into HoC
3) Update the PDF
4) Cancel them altogether.
5) Create a new armybook same timeframe as in #1, but drastically change the make up of the army composition.
IMHO #4 and#5 are most likely given GW’s track record.
metro_gnome:
Its just a possible list… but one i’d be happy with…
and i think chaos players in general would be happy with… why can’t we?
but really… It was an answer to an unimaginative list from one of our best developers…
i don’t know much about Q3 '09…
but when 7th broke Q4 '08 was rumored… hmmm…
Willmark:
The thing I think you’re missing is that we all want is to be “official”. I would wager everyone wants that, we all simply disagree as to what chaos dwarfs would/should be. And with the murky state of affairs that is our list no ones opinion I’d nessicarily a “wrong one”.
As far as release dates they are no different then Microsoft vaporware annoucements. Could happen, probably not in all honesty.
To speak to your allies analogy, I think its a fair one. From what I can see is that most prefer us to be allies of O&G rather then chaos. For my own part I like this idea better. It puts the focus of the CDs being the pinnacle units of the army; being lumped with chaos to mr seems like a return to 3rd edition which, while possible seems unlikely.
My position is this (always has been): I’m hopeful for a new list. I just don’t think its likely.
wizzbang:
I started to write a basic one, then I discovered that there already was one (can't remember what it is called).You might be thinking of Lorentz WHFB (http://lwhfb.lorenzonuvoletta.com/index2.html). Would be great to host a campaign or tournament through this service.
cornixt
cornixt:
That’s the one
metro_gnome:
The thing I think you're missing is that we all want is to be "official".really? how bad do you want it?
Willmark
And with the murky state of affairs that is our list no ones opinion I'd nessicarily a "wrong one".The state of affairs is not murky... its dire...
Could happen, probably not in all honesty.Which?
It puts the focus of the CDs being the pinnacle units of the army;pinnacle?
My position is this (always has been): I'm hopeful for a new list. I just don't think its likely.Its not about having a new list anymore...
Willmark:
Dire because one cannot play them @ a GT? I’m unlikely to play in a GT, means little to me on a personal level. Where the impact comes from is say you want to play in a store and you get some “I never question the rules” opponent says well you can’t play them in a tournament so you can’t play them here. People seem to forget that unless you’re playing at a GT, the rules are fluid, you can change any rule you want. My group of friends who I game with have been doing it for years regardless of game system.
Dire is when they remove the PDF list from every site, everywhere, of course that will be the end… I’m not disagreeing that were not on the road to oblivion, in fact I fully believe GW will pull a move and CDs will be “Squated”. However based on Gav’s comments about CDs I tend to see their stance regarding the GTs. Play them at home fine, but no at tournaments. DoW is in somewhat similar straights.
Sure the signs are there, it is a dire situation, but no official word. Of course they could be going with the drag them out to oblivion strategy. We won’t know.
Pride? How so, if they roll it into HoC I’ll live with it. I just don’t see this as a likely scenario. GW is going to do whatever they feel is fincially beneficial at the time, really that is all that is going to matter. Fail to see how GW is going to listen to any of us. All or nothing? Hardly. I learned long ago the absolutes are a tough road to haul, hence I avoid them. There is a difference of what I hope for rather then what I think will likely happen.
Since we are speculating what happens when HoC rolls around and there is nothing CD related in it?
Kera foehunter:
who’s to say that G W will be around in 09 .So i say let make are owen list so we don’t get a nemesis crown (gw greatest campaign to date )
Thommy H:
in fact I fully believe GW will pull a move and CDs will be "Squated"I wouldn't go that far - the Squats were retconned out of existence in 40K, which is not so easy with the Chaos Dwarfs who have links to other armies and their cities on all the maps. Squats were written out because they really didn't fit in that well with what 40K had become (The Imperium allying with mutants? That's pretty inconsistent with their usual policy...) and were just "Dwarfs...IN SPACE!" anyway. Chaos Dwarfs at least have the benefit of fitting seamlessly into the Warhammer world and having those little links to other races. Even if a new army book is never made, they'll always be "there" in the universe I'd expect.
metro_gnome:
well they certainly wont be big hats…
but they will come from Zharr Naggrund…
Thats where… and i’m gonna use bold here for those oblivious to the obvious…
Chaos Dwarfs come from…
they would appear as they are…
another tribe of mortals who have been affected by chaos and worship a chaos god…
Its not an exclusive club…
they would offer relatively cheap armoured troops, Guns, and a replacement for centigors…
yes willmark… you can still play 3rd ed WHFB with firmir in your basement at home…
but the rest of us are keeping up with the actual rules… and have been for sometime…
no the .pdf has not been taken down from all the sites… you can find it in the HoC section of GWUS… hmmm…
Grimstonefire:
Looking at this a different way, from ‘our’ point of view its easy to see why we would CD in the HoC list. It confirms those individual units as being official.
Now looking at this from an army composition point of view, it would mean that unless they did some carefull writing of rules, Chaos Dwarfs would be as common as Chaos Warriors/ marauders!?!? Surely that doesn’t make sense? If they had them as not counting towards core, would people really want to take them instead of saving points for the other (more effective) core?
If they had them as 0-1, or limited in some other way I think this also wouldn’t be effective. It would be overly restrictive of a core unit, which at the end of the day is not that great compared to other HoC core.
The special choice would be the same. They could be restricted as a 0-1, which may be useful but would still see them as ‘common’ considering how many DZ there are. They would also have to compete with other awesome special units, but I think mainly from a fluff point of view it wouldn’t make sense.
I could see a toned down hellcannon appearing in the HoC list. GW seem loathe to give them warmachines, but a warmachine constructed (not necessarily crewed) by CD would be appropriate. I don’t see BC appearing the the HoC list AT ALL. They don’t represent the ‘big 4’, which is what HoC is all about.
So whilst some of us may want CD in a HoC list, I don’t think GW would want to put us there.
dancehat:
Another option of how you wanna call it the way of the wood elves. Took ages for GW fit them in but suddenly it happend. There were artwork, mentions of the wood elves here and there and I think you could link Chaos Dwarfs to this as well. The fact Gav wants to do them pretty much makes it a question of time really, they´ve also said it wont be in awhile(like when they did wood elves).
I remain hopeful but I also expect having to use the PDF army list for quite awhile before an offical book resurfacing.
-Dancehat
Thommy H:
another tribe of mortals who have been affected by chaos and worship a chaos god...Like the Skaven? Or Beasts of Chaos for that matter. You can even make an argument for Dark Elves falling into the same category.
Thommy H:
Another option of how you wanna call it the way of the wood elves. Took ages for GW fit them in but suddenly it happend. There were artwork, mentions of the wood elves here and there and I think you could link Chaos Dwarfs to this as well.No - big difference there. Wood Elves were always a core army. They had a fluff section in the 6th Edition book, which the Chaos Dwarfs didn't. Wood Elf players always knew their army would come around eventually, which is not the case with Chaos Dwarfs.
metro_gnome:
Surely that doesn't make sense?why not?... your need to seem "exclusive" is artificial...
They don't represent the 'big 4', which is what HoC is all about.6th ed HoC was about the big 4... but without the daemon content how much big 4 cotent is there?
So whilst some of us may want CD in a HoC list, I don't think GW would want to put us there.But it would be in no way a "very bad thing" if they did...
Like the Skaven?with their 16 units? um yeah... they get a book...
but they also don't fit in with how that army playsCDs would provide cheap armoured anvils... effective chaos infantry again? what are the chances...
... that don't involve having to ruin an existing army.ruin an army? thats 7 kinds of silly...
Grimstonefire:
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree metro :cheers
Time will tell.
dancehat:
Good point but as far as I see it is has been on the US site for quite some time now. However, under "Hordes of Chaos". So while the situation might not identical, it is quite similiar IMO.Another option of how you wanna call it the way of the wood elves. Took ages for GW fit them in but suddenly it happend. There were artwork, mentions of the wood elves here and there and I think you could link Chaos Dwarfs to this as well.No - big difference there. Wood Elves were always a core army. They had a fluff section in the 6th Edition book, which the Chaos Dwarfs didn't. Wood Elf players always knew their army would come around eventually, which is not the case with Chaos Dwarfs.
Thommy H