[Archive] WD presents: Chaos Dwarfs

wallacer:

I write this with a certain amount of trepidation…

Is it possible to get a copy of “WD presents: Chaos Dwarfs” online? I’m not sure what (if any) copyright issues there would be with this, but considering how long it has been out of print, would GW even care?

The reason I ask is because they go for a lot of money on eBay and all I really want to do is read the text, not actually collect a copy of it.

Anyway, if this is some sort of breach of forum policy let me know and i’ll delete the thread.

If it’s NOT a breach of forum policy, is there such a thing and if so does anyone have a link to it?

Hashut’s Blessing:

Since you are asking for it only if it is legal (do not correct me if I am wrong, it is safer for you :D), it is not against forum policy. However, I believe it is illegal to put a copy up on the internet. Unfortunately, we’ll just have to save up, eh?

wallacer:

I was rather hoping that since it has been out of print for so long the copyright might have expired on it. Oh well…

Guess i’ll just have to try eBay :frowning:

Xander:

I highly recommend picking the book up. Very informative. I have read it several times over and am proud to say I own it. :slight_smile:

hal:

If you have stuff to trade you might then have some luck on Bartertown.org

I’ve conducted a few trades there with great success.

angryboy2k:

It’s not technically legal, but in the past GW has not cared about this sort of thing as long as the artwork is not reproduced. I remember there was a project to scan all of Rogue Trader and have it available online, which eventually ran into trouble for reasons of artwork copyrights. They later went on to just upload the text but I seem to think the project fell apart after that.

Anyway, the point is that perhaps if someone here asked GW’s legal department nicely, noting the out of print status of the book, the interest being generating in buying GW’s miniatures for conversion work, and the fact that it’s non-profit and strictly for informational purposes, they might actually get permission to add the text from that book to the Wiki. And of course, the text would have to come down the second GW said so (say, if they were to release a new army book).

Steve

Xander:

It's not technically legal, but in the past GW has not cared about this sort of thing as long as the artwork is not reproduced. I remember there was a project to scan all of Rogue Trader and have it available online, which eventually ran into trouble for reasons of artwork copyrights. They later went on to just upload the text but I seem to think the project fell apart after that.

Anyway, the point is that perhaps if someone here asked GW's legal department nicely, noting the out of print status of the book, the interest being generating in buying GW's miniatures for conversion work, and the fact that it's non-profit and strictly for informational purposes, they might actually get permission to add the text from that book to the Wiki. And of course, the text would have to come down the second GW said so (say, if they were to release a new army book).

Steve

angryboy2k
I welcome someone to try. I'd scan my book and remove pictures if we had approval.

wallacer:

If you have stuff to trade you might then have some luck on Bartertown.org

hal
That's not a bad idea. I forgot about Bartertown.

Hashut’s Blessing:

Should we e-mail GW and ask for their permission to put just text up?

Zorgoth:

BY HASHUT, I WILL TAKE UP THIS CHALLENGE!

Zorgoth:

If they say yes I say we sacrifice the slaves and rejoyce!

Zorgoth:

I have sent the email and am waitng for a reply. Cross yer tusks and brush yer beards extra fer good luck. Oh, and whip your slaves extra just in case.

Hashut’s Blessing:

Whipping slaves extra? I don’t need telling twice! Whips GW

metro_gnome:

well i have the text in an easy to use format…

say the word and i can copy and paste the whole jeebus book…

Zorgoth:

“Hello,

Unfortunately, that would not be possible.”

John Spencer

Games Workshop - Hobby Specialist

NOOOOOOOOOOOO! WE CAN’T PUT IT UP! DAMN THEM ALL!

Grimstonefire:

LoL. Unfortunately I expected as much.

I’m guessing its because of the other implications and potential misuses. For instance, I believe they shut down a website recently because it used a lot of artwork without citing GW as the source.

Hashut’s Blessing:

I was kind of expecting that response, but was worth a try. Better than putting it up and having the entire site closed.

angryboy2k:

Disappointing, but I’m pretty certain it’s just a standard response. That or it’s just another sign of the changing GW. I wish I could dig up info on that Rogue Trader project I mentioned. The problem (as I said before) was one of artwork copyright, rather than the plain text.

Did you address your mail to the legal department by any chance?

Steve

Zorgoth:

I went to customer service. I guess I can try there and see what happens.

There is nothing implying I can email the legal section specifically. Maybe someone else should try.

AGPO:

The legal service are one group to try, but I would also advise e-mailing Games Developers. They tend to be more sympathetic to hobbyists then the “company people.” I remember one Games Day seminar, when head office told Phil Kelly he couldn’t have any pictures of the (then) new terminators to show in the presentation because they were pissed at Warseer for putting pics of them up. Phil just went straight on to Warseer and used the pictures from there, gaining my eternal respect in the process. if you can get the e-mail f the people who actually wrote the book, it might be helpful. You can normally find these addresses in old issues of White Dwarf, just look in things like Chapter Approved and Warhammer Chronicles