[Archive] What impact will Rick Priestley's departure have on CD?

Ogrob:

I’ve seen some rumors, I think at the Warlord Games forums, about an upcoming Ancients expansion/standalone for Black Powder, and that Rick Priestly would be working on that.

Makes sense considering Warlord already do Romans and ancient Celts minis.

nitroglysarine:

Warlord do some nice models!

used some of the celt models as militia.

Alric:

Well, since Rick Priestley has left GW/Warhammer Forge... what impact will this have on CDs in Warhammer Forge and GW more generally?
Anyone care to speculate?

Personally I think it's weird that he would depart just as he has begun to get the Warhammer Forge ball rolling.

wallacer
Specualtion.

Well IMO it isnt a plus for CD fans that Rick is no longer involved with WF project. I'm only speculating but considering it was Rick who was responsible for most if not all of the original CD army stuff I feel that not having him at WF now can only be a minus for the interest of CD fans.

Short answer - this news doesnt bode well for CD fans.

snowblizz:

... GW ... a professional company years ago.

Obsidian
Oh that's so funny. I'm not sure I'd term them a professional company. I understand what you mean though. Supposedly run in a traditional manner "by the suits".
But there's one thing I read in the annual report that almost made me fall of my chair. They are not a professional company by a long shot.

I'm also apprehensive of what this means for CDs. The timing seems rather odd for his departure, just before WF was supposed to kick off.

Thommy H:

I'm not sure I'd term them a professional company.
Doing it for charity then, are they?

nitroglysarine:

I'm not sure I'd term them a professional company.
Doing it for charity then, are they?


Thommy H
Lol - Gamers in Need (c)

Border Reiver:

snowblizz, I’m going to second Thommy’s comment, but in a more serious note. If GW is not a “professional company” than what are they?

They have business model, product, etc. and they follow it. While we as fans may question some of their decisions in the end the company is successful - showing profit and even expansion of market share - what more do they need to do to be a “professional company?”

snowblizz:

The defining characteristic of company in economic theory usually is that it is supposed to generate profits for its owners. Apparently GW’s managers felt that is too bothersome.

- what more do they need to do to be a "professional company?"

Border Reiver
They need to not tell their owners to take a hike?

I’m not harping from a “I’m a disgruntled GW anti-fanboy” perspective here.

I’ve never ever seen a company tell off its owners in the annual report. They’ve made it clear they are not necessarily going to provide the owners with a return on their money. If that’s not a mark of an unprofessional company then what is?
And it’s not a “we had bad year and are working on it” they basically come out and say they aren’t even going to try. Sure it is sort of honest, but who in their right mind wants to be part of that?

This hits at the heart of the principal-agent problem, I may be a cynic, but I don’t believe that I’d trust managers to work in my best interests when THEY get paid regardless of how well my money is used.

Grimstonefire:

Perhaps the problem then is a lack of involvement from the main shareholders? Clearly they must be happy with the current strategy or they would put pressure on the board to change, or they’d sell off a lot of shares.

Thommy H:

“Professional” means they do it for money. It tends to have associated connotations about doing a decent, responsible job, but that’s not what the term means. Normally I wouldn’t be such a horrific pedant, but since the whole of the above argument hinges on someone using the word and you chosing to interpret it using your own, more colloquial meaning, I think it’s valid.

nitroglysarine:

Yup; Professional simply means its your job or ‘profession’

‘To DO a Professional job’ - is a phrase, giving professional a different meaning.

snowblizz:

Perhaps the problem then is a lack of involvement from the main shareholders?  Clearly they must be happy with the current strategy or they would put pressure on the board to change, or they'd sell off a lot of shares.

Grimstonefire
This is what puzzles me as well. Normally in such situations they talk about "weak ownership", generally with the majority of shareholders being individuals that are unlikely to attend the AGM. It has always been mentioned that GW's major owners are institutional owners (though I haven't checked to see if this is true), another category that at least previously also had a reputation of being fairly passive. GW also says they are going to stop visiting major owners as it takes up so much time, so maybe they've been travelling around blowing smoke...

I could throw out some other suggestions to why people if not happy aren't unhappy enough to do anything about it. It's always fun when economic theory where everyone acts rationally clashes with the real world where people do not.

"Professional" means they do it for money. It tends to have associated connotations about doing a decent, responsible job, but that's not what the term means. Normally I wouldn't be such a horrific pedant, but since the whole of the above argument hinges on someone using the word and you chosing to interpret it using your own, more colloquial meaning, I think it's valid.


Thommy H
I can only recall having seen it used with a positive association. So swap the word for one you feel is more suitable then and don't be a pedant. I have to say I think it should be on this list: http://www.cracked.com/article_15664_9-words-that-dont-mean-what-you-think.html

The manager may be a professional, in fact he even gets paid no matter what... but the company at least doesn't seem to be in it for the money. Because the owner's shouldn't be expecting to get any.

Thommy H:

A professional athlete is one that gets paid to perform. He doesn’t necessarily have to be any good. That’s a pretty straight example of the word being used correctly that most people would be familiar with.

snowblizz:

A professional athlete is one that gets paid to perform. He doesn't necessarily have to be any good. That's a pretty straight example of the word being used correctly that most people would be familiar with.

Thommy H
If someone is willing to pay for you to do something that usually means you are "good". Isn't that why professional colloquially means good at something.

But that's entirely irrelevant for this topic. I'm not arguing word definitions.

Baggronor:

If someone is willing to pay for you to do something that usually means you are "good".
You would think so, however we all know from real life this is often not the case ;) But in theory, yes.

Willmark:

Getting back OT: one thing that has not been considered is perhaps he was a roadblock to pushing forward. Yes, he created them in the sense of they are as we know them now. Perhaps others wanted to take them in a different direction.

Again this is just a guess (as is everyone elses). Simply put there is no way to say if this will help or hinder the CD cause.

Grimstonefire:

I fully agree Willmark, people have not considered yet that Rick leaving could be very good news in terms of future WF CD support… :wink:

richard barby:

A professional athlete is one that gets paid to perform. He doesn't necessarily have to be any good. That's a pretty straight example of the word being used correctly that most people would be familiar with.

Thommy H
rooney

nitroglysarine:

A professional athlete is one that gets paid to perform. He doesn't necessarily have to be any good. That's a pretty straight example of the word being used correctly that most people would be familiar with.

Thommy H
rooney


richard barby
Who would be just as happy with a tyre hanging from a tree. ;P

snowblizz:

I fully agree Willmark, people have not considered yet that Rick leaving could be very good news in terms of future WF CD support... ;)

Grimstonefire
Better the devil you know...

I guess the issue here is the uncertainty, RP seems to have some interest in CDs. Noone else has demonstrated that AFAWK.