[Archive] Zharr Naggrund is Hashut

Grimstonefire:

So a novel idea I just had, after reading a bit in a 40k novel about a city that’s so warped by chaos it has towering sections of muscle, bone and vertebrate.

Got me thinking that with what happened to warhammer world & sis fluff that the chaos dwarfs could live on and in hashut!

Stupid idea?

Malorndk:

Hashut is so lacking on the fluff side, that everyone can have their own opinion about what Hashut is, represents, rewards, values and whispers to his followers. I would stick to the core lore, that daemons (even greater or demi gods) can’t exist in the mortal realm for a prolonged period of time. Hashut in the mortal realm would proberly vanish pretty quick, unless we imagine the Dawi Zharr performing a constant and permanent gateway, sustain and binding ritual. This would require a shit ton of human sacrifice, but then again, couldn’t that be a good reason for the Dawi Zharrs everlasting slave raids and dream of conquest?

I’m not sure if I like the idea myself, but if you want Hashut to be and mean this, then go for it. Or maybe it just some brotherhoods that put their faith on this and acts like acolytes of Hashut, while raiding slaves (not to work the mine but to be sacrificed). Could be the background fluff of a cool clan, brotherhood or unit inside the hierarchy of Zharr-Naggrund. Always with questions such as this, I feel inclined to resolved: “Is this the actual truth or not?” but oftentimes the coolest concepts come from: “Never mind the factual truth! These madafacas think this IS the truth and they act upon this belief in insane ways”

Admiral:

Indeed, it is one reasonable mad interpretation of hidden Hashut. Some sects might view Zharr-Naggrund as Hashut incarnate, in some inner mystery circles at least. Not a view I prefer for myself, but some tusked stunties could sure have that lookout. And with all the warping empyreic residue and daemonforged madness reigning daily in that industrial ziggurat, one would not be surprised if the capitol was uncannily alive and treacherous akin to Praag in some quarters, on some stories.:slight_smile:

Dînadan:

Considering how varied the interpretations of the Big Four are (at least if you go beyond the army book and check out fluff books like Liber Chaotica), I see no problem with different sects within the religion of Hashut each with its own spin on things (something I’ve tried to do in a couple of the fluff pieces I’ve written in the background forum here and I think Admiral has also done in some of his) so I see no problem with some believing this.

You could also have variations on it with things like Hashut being bound to the foundations of Mingol Zharr-Naggrund and his power seeping into it empowering the Dawi Zharr who dwell within.

Helblindi:

I like this concept, but I think I like it more the other way around, that the city of Zharr-Nagrund lies at the basis of the mythology concerning Hashut.

Much like the Romans treated Rome as a goddess as well as a city, Chaos Dwarfs might have begun to worship their first city as a god. Slave sacrifices to Hashut is a ritualisation of the dry fact that in order to keep the city running, slavework is necessary, which often kills the slaves. The blessing of Hashut - creation of the centaur mutants - might simply be the product of urban and industrial pollution, both chemical and magical. Even the very mutation of the chaos dwarf race might be caused by pollution, and the city itself was at one time the only bastion in the area where dwarves survived the storm of chaos. Generations later, this would be explained as them being saved by Hashut…

In any case, Grimstone, thank you for sparking a thought :smiley:

Dînadan:

I like this concept, but I think I like it more the other way around, that the city of Zharr-Nagrund lies at the basis of the mythology concerning Hashut.

Much like the Romans treated Rome as a goddess as well as a city, Chaos Dwarfs might have begun to worship their first city as a god. Slave sacrifices to Hashut is a ritualisation of the dry fact that in order to keep the city running, slavework is necessary, which often kills the slaves. The blessing of Hashut - creation of the centaur mutants - might simply be the product of urban and industrial pollution, both chemical and magical. Even the very mutation of the chaos dwarf race might be caused by pollution, and the city itself was at one time the only bastion in the area where dwarves survived the storm of chaos. Generations later, this would be explained as them being saved by Hashut...

In any case, Grimstone, thank you for sparking a thought :D

Helblindi
Only flaw I can think of with that is that Hashut was worshipped before Zharr-Naggrund was founded unless I'm mistaken - it was several centuries between them pledging themselves to him at Uzkulak and them building Zharr-Naggrund. So unless they retconned their early history Big Brother style, worship of the city must have come after worship of Hashut had already been established.

Admiral:

Why not both? Helblindi’s version makes a lot of sense. Hashut was worshipped before the foundation of Zharr-Naggrund, but the sheer nature of that terrible ziggurat city may have guided the imaginations of the Chaos Dwarfs, shaping their holy creeds as their sorcerous and black religion grew forth, crafting slavery into symbolic slave sacrifice etc. At the very least, a rare few heretical unbelievers and atheists (in a world of gods and daemons… :P) may claim some version of Helblindi’s concept to be true, at stark peril to their lives and souls. Good fodder for the sect machine, and good stuff for future fluff writings!

BABIS:

very inspirational ideas :wink: personally I always thought about Hashut as a powerful demon prince, just like belakor…

Abecedar:

I like ideas.  I just try to avoid thinking too much in case I have one.