# \[TOW\] Chaos Dwarf PDF for The Old World!
**URL:** https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163
**Category:** Army List and Gaming Discussion
**Created:** [22 January 2024 15:35 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163 "2024-01-22T15:35:45Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Jasko](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/Jasko)
#### Post date: [4 February 2024 17:06 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/83 "2024-02-04T17:06:04Z")
As a stand-alone unit, I think yes. But introduction of detachments is good for blunderbusses I think, stand & shoot has long been an occasion where they shine.
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### Author:  [@Zoddtheimmortal](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/Zoddtheimmortal)
#### Post date: [4 February 2024 17:06 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/84 "2024-02-04T17:06:12Z")
Blunderbuss and shields vs fireglaives though?
Wish we got more cds on the table though…
30-40 seems the normal amount per 2k points
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### Author:  [@Phorge](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/Phorge)
#### Post date: [5 February 2024 17:01 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/85 "2024-02-05T17:01:42Z")
Ahh, gotcha. It will be interesting to see how well they do.
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### Author:  [@Nauctrigon](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/Nauctrigon)
#### Post date: [7 February 2024 02:28 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/86 "2024-02-07T02:28:57Z")
I’m pretty happy with the list as it is. I wish you could still use the casteliian on a Great Taurus, but that’s not too big a loss.
I"m planning to use the whirlwind and tenderizer as Bull Centaurs, or just convert some chaos dwarfs riding on “Modified” Khorne Juggernauts.
I know people were saying that you can take a Black orc one a wyvern, but are we able to use a Black orc hero or a lord? The former can’t ride a wyvern IIRC.
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### Author:  [@chitzkoi](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/chitzkoi)
#### Post date: [7 February 2024 03:41 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/87 "2024-02-07T03:41:41Z")
Only a Warboss may ride a wyvern.
Although clearly intended as the general-tier character type, there actually isn’t a concept of Lords in TOW. There’s just Characters, and the one with the highest LD is the General.
“Black Orc Boss” is the supercategory containing the Warboss and Bigboss profiles. As a result, following the language of the PDF, a Warboss is a legal pick. As a result, a Wyvern is a legal choice.
You could run your army with a Black Orc Warboss as the army general if you didn’t choose any characters with higher LD if you so chose.
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### Author:  [@Nauctrigon](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/Nauctrigon)
#### Post date: [7 February 2024 05:13 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/88 "2024-02-07T05:13:49Z")
Oh!? Good to know. I’ll have to paint one up.
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### Author:  [@Jasko](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/Jasko)
#### Post date: [7 February 2024 10:12 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/89 "2024-02-07T10:12:21Z")
Y’all know what the real disgrace is? Our characters not having access to full plate armour. We make full plate Chaos Armour for the humans but don’t keep any for ourselves?
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### Author:  [@Zoddtheimmortal](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/Zoddtheimmortal)
#### Post date: [7 February 2024 10:59 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/90 "2024-02-07T10:59:35Z")
The black orcs steal it all i guess!
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### Author:  [@Jasko](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/Jasko)
#### Post date: [7 February 2024 11:02 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/91 "2024-02-07T11:02:08Z")
Garrrr, that’s right, Black Orcs get it!
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### Author:  [@Drexxl](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/Drexxl)
#### Post date: [7 February 2024 11:13 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/92 "2024-02-07T11:13:51Z")
I do not really want to start houseruling until I have a few games in, but letting a castellan fly on a cow is probably not an unreasonable request in some house games.
I will likely ask atleast
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### Author:  [@chitzkoi](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/chitzkoi)
#### Post date: [8 February 2024 04:20 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/93 "2024-02-08T04:20:48Z")
just put the black orcs in front of the chaos dwarfs and they will do the same job as wearing the armour. I call it Operation: Get Behind The Greenskins
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### Author:  [@chitzkoi](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/chitzkoi)
#### Post date: [8 February 2024 04:30 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/94 "2024-02-08T04:30:36Z")
I do think it’s a fun option, especially because Greenskins are [the most popular second army](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/poll-old-world-faction-choices-play-style-or-not/26095) on the board, for obvious reasons.
The scope is really there to run a Khanate army that can actually fight pretty well against an opponent who pulls their punches a little, without much recourse to counts-as Chaos Dwarf units that have unusual or unreasonable toughness.
The biggest flaw, given the access to two Greenskin characters - one of which is a mainstream army general on a mainstream army monster - is the inability to cast. Still, for narrative purposes, having a legal army that’s almost entirely slaves is pretty great. I just need to learn how to sculpt appropriately spikey slave collars…
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### Author:  [@Jasko](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/Jasko)
#### Post date: [9 February 2024 10:33 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/95 "2024-02-09T10:33:02Z")
Just put 1 and 1 together, that lack of FPA, at least on the Infernal Commanders, **has** to be an oversight. Even Ironsworn have it! Real shame there won’t be an errata on the pdf.
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### Author:  [@ShadIsDad](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/ShadIsDad)
#### Post date: [9 February 2024 14:00 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/96 "2024-02-09T14:00:31Z")
Been thinking about this rule a lot.
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### Author:  [@MiSiO](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/MiSiO)
#### Post date: [10 February 2024 15:16 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/97 "2024-02-10T15:16:21Z")
I am a 1994 CD guy. I never had a painted CD army but got some models for my Abyssal Dwarfs for Kings of War. I even got Lamassu and Taurus and 2 Rocket launchers from first “wave” and used them for KoW for some time.
Then I got 6 render Bull centaurs I planned to use as Grotesques. But Mantic released their own Grotesques so those FW models ended in a “for later” box.
Now tOW was released and I realized I have enough to build a 1500-2000 army!
I just need to paint few decimators.
I never really liked those oversized engines FW did so this list works for me. Will make a cool hobby project around It.
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### Author:  [@MiSiO](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/MiSiO)
#### Post date: [10 February 2024 15:42 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/98 "2024-02-10T15:42:05Z")
Oh for sure. I have both flyers with breath Item and 2 lvl 2 mages im my 1,5k list.
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### Author:  [@MiSiO](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/MiSiO)
#### Post date: [10 February 2024 15:44 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/99 "2024-02-10T15:44:17Z")
This is mine:
# === Copy of Chaos Dwarfs Elite no leader [1499 pts] Warhammer: The Old World, Chaos Dwarfs
++ Characters [465 pts] ++
Daemonsmith Sorcerer [245 pts]
- Darkforged weapon
- Heavy armour
- Be a Level 2 Wizard
- Great Taurus
- Daemonology
Daemonsmith Sorcerer [220 pts]
- Darkforged weapon
- Heavy armour
- Be a Level 2 Wizard
- Lammasu
- Daemonology
++ Core Units [406 pts] ++
13 Infernal Guard [208 pts]
- Hailshot blunderbluss
- Heavy armour
12 Infernal Guard [198 pts]
- Hailshot blunderbluss
- Heavy armour
- Deathmask
++ Special Units [628 pts] ++
3 Bull Centaur Renders [189 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Light armour
- Shield
- Ba’hal
- Standard bearer
3 Bull Centaur Renders [189 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Light armour
- Shield
- Ba’hal
- Standard bearer
1 Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher [120 pts]
- Demolition Rockets
- Infernal Incendiaries
- Hand weapons
- Heavy armour
3 K’daai Fireborn [130 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Manburner (champion)
* * *
Created with “Old World Builder”
[[https://old-world-builder.com](https://old-world-builder.com)]
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### Author:  [@MiSiO](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/MiSiO)
#### Post date: [10 February 2024 16:33 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/100 "2024-02-10T16:33:41Z")
Blunderbusses are my favorite infantry and I plan to use a lot of those. This is what CD are all about!
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### Author:  [@MiSiO](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/MiSiO)
#### Post date: [10 February 2024 16:37 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/101 "2024-02-10T16:37:03Z")
Yeah. I did the same comparison too. Dragon ogres looks better but Bull centaurs have some other rules instead of stats. One of my 2 favorite units…
Sadly I expect no futher changes to this file do we are drugi with what we have. 🙂
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### Author:  [@MiSiO](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/MiSiO)
#### Post date: [10 February 2024 17:02 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-chaos-dwarf-pdf-for-the-old-world/26163/102 "2024-02-10T17:02:22Z")
How big Bull centaur units You have in mind?
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