# \[TOW\] Let's get competitive

**URL:** https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-lets-get-competitive/26270
**Category:** Army List and Gaming Discussion
**Created:** [15 February 2024 20:17 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-lets-get-competitive/26270 "2024-02-15T20:17:17Z")
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### Author: ![Jasko](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/user_avatar/discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/jasko/32/378_2.png) [@Jasko](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/u/Jasko)
#### Post date: [17 September 2024 08:02 UTC](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-lets-get-competitive/26270/320 "2024-09-17T08:02:52Z")

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_Poisoned Attacks_ is all around excellent, just passing dice, even if only a few, through directly from hit to armour save with no drawbacks (since we have no _Killing Blow_ or something which requires a to-wound roll) is def worth 35pts on its own.

For me the question is what other banners is the Spider Banner preventing me from taking. (And to be clear, it is for sure [one of the five](https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/tow-the-big-chaos-dwarf-tactics-compendium/26477/10) I’d always consider taking) The +1 to WS _and_ Combat Resolution from the Big Red Raggedy Flag seems to be the better choice for me, as that jump to WS5 is a crucial step to be en par with elite units, so it helps both on offense as well as defense, while the combat res can be pivotal in ensuring your Black Orcs win the combat and/or stick around, especially if it’s a smaller unit and they’re punching above their weight class. The other banner which I find very very enticing is the Waaagh Banner. With _Furious Charge_ and _Choppas_, Black Orcs truly shine when they charge, so giving them that edge to completing that charge can mean they can reach their full potential.

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