[Archive] 2000 for tourney feedback needed

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Samanos:

Hey guys theres this tourney I wanna go to and its 2000 pts with scenarios from the BRB (all except battle for the pass).

So I have 2 problems:

1) I have never played CD under 2400.

2)I have never played any other scenario except battle line.

So naturally I am not sure about my list and thats why I post it here.

How do you guys find it? Personally I really miss my lvl 4 but hes just too expensive at 2000.

Daemonsmith Sorcerer, lvl2, Scroll, Lore of Metal - 155 Pts.

Daemonsmith Sorcerer, lvl2, Sceptre of Stability, Lore of Death - 145 Pts.

Infernal Castellan, Shield, Sword of Might, Talisman of Endurance, Dragonhelm, BSB - 192 Pts.

26 Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard, GW, M, S - 410 Pts.

20 Hobgoblin Cutthroates, bows, M, S - 112 Pts.

Magma Cannon - 145 Pts.

Iron Daemon War Engine, Hellbound - 310 Pts.

6 Bull Centaur Renders, GW, M, S, Gleaming Pennant - 320 Pts.

Hellcannon - 210 Pts.

Total: 1999

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Grimbold Blackhammer:

Looks suitably solid. Let us know how you do!

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Samanos:

Looks suitably solid.  Let us know how you do!

Grimbold Blackhammer
will do!
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Baggronor:

I would strip it right down to the bare bones (I do that at 2.4k and still feel like I don’t have enough stuff).

BCs won’t kill enough as they are, and you have no chaff.

I would:

Go for two Levels 1s with Enchanted Shield and Charmed Shield, drop the sword of might, swap the Hellcannon and BCs for a Destroyer, a second Magma Cannon and two Wolf Khans preferably with 5/10pt magic weapons. Perhaps try and work in a second Hobgoblin unit for the banner (Blood and Glory).

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Samanos:

I would strip it right down to the bare bones (I do that at 2.4k and still feel like I don't have enough stuff).

BCs won't kill enough as they are, and you have no chaff.

I would:

Go for two Levels 1s with Enchanted Shield and Charmed Shield, drop the sword of might, swap the Hellcannon and BCs for a Destroyer, a second Magma Cannon and two Wolf Khans preferably with 5/10pt magic weapons. Perhaps try and work in a second Hobgoblin unit for the banner (Blood and Glory).

Baggronor
as far as the destroyer goes I think there are better ways to spent 325 pts... (no I dont like him). Plus this is a comped event so I dont want to get a high score for bringing this guy. what if I brought a unit of fireborn instead? more, attacks, more wounds (granted low toughness but still...)

I agree about the chaff though.

I thought something like this:

Daemonsmith Sorcerer, Scroll, Lore of Metal - 120 Pts.
Daemonsmith Sorcerer, lvl2, Sceptre of Stability, Lore of Death - 145 Pts.
Infernal Castellan, Shield, Talisman of Endurance, Dragonhelm, BSB - 172 Pts.
Hobgoblin Khan, LA, Warrior Bane, Giant Wolf - 59 Pts.

22 Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard, GW, M, S - 350 Pts.
20 Hobgoblin Cutthroates, Bows, M, S - 112 Pts.
20 Hobgoblin Cutthroates, Bows, M, S - 112 Pts.

Magma Cannon - 145 Pts.
Iron Daemon War Engine, Hellbound - 310 Pts.
Magma Cannon - 145 Pts.

Hellcannon - 210 Pts.
5 Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders - 60 Pts.
5 Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders - 60 Pts.

Total: 2000

I cannot fit 2 khans unfortunately.

Better or worse than the previous?
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Baggronor:

Better but still not good imo. You want the Destroyer as he can actually kill things - he scores VPs and projects massive threat, which the rest of the army simply doesn’t do. As it stands, it’s going to sit there and shoot for 2 turns and then your opponent will reach it and kill it/deal with it. Who is actually going to do the fighting? The train is easy to stop, 22 Dwarfs are too small, expensive and not killy enough, Hobgoblins do basically nothing. The toughest nut is the Hellcannon but any half decent army can cope with one.  Sure the artillery will kill some stuff but its pretty hard to wipe units out and score VPs with templates unless they just sit there like buffoons while you carpet bomb them.  

Also, if the General is a Daemonsmith out on his own who is quite likely to get shot, those goblins will run fast.

as far as the destroyer goes I think there are better ways to spent 325 pts
Sadly I don’t think this is true in LoA. Believe me, I’ve tried.
what if I brought a unit of fireborn instead? more, attacks, more wounds (granted low toughness but still…)
6 is not enough (330pts), you need 8 for a reliable unit.

Maybe something like:

Daemonsmith
+Lore of Metal
+Charmed Shield

Daemonsmith
+Lore of Fire
+Enchanted Shield
+Scroll

Castellan
+Battle Standard
+Shield

2 Khans

25 Infernal Guard
+Great Weapons
+Standard, Musician

25 Infernal Guard
+Great Weapons
+Standard, Musician

Magma Cannon

Magma Cannon

Deathshrieker

Destroyer