This is my first attempt at a list for the big hats for me. I have come over from the chaos wastelands and I’m keen to try a different play style and try their cool and nasty war machines.
I only play casually with friends so do not have to be overly competitive. I currently have no models of the big hats except for my BB team. So this will also be a guide to what I purchase.
So here goes.
Sorc prophet. 400pt
w/lvl4, lore of hashut, chalice, enchanted shield, ToP.
Cannot help you with the army list (am possibly the worst general here) but there are heaps of ideas in the Army List Sub-Forum in the Gaming Section. For both fun and competitive peoples. Also check out the “Daemonsmiths Handbook” for an analysis of each of our units. But from what I see in yours I remember seeing very similar in other lists.
The RA models are really nice. I only have one with a Gt Weapon that is an Emissary from “TheHoodedMan”. Check out his army blog as he has a few painted and posted.
Please post pictures of your BloodBowl team. If they be CD’s then they are very welcome. There is separate sub-forums for their pictures.
PS: There is only one Dark God — Hashut! be his name. Those other four belong in the marjorine of evil aisle. PPS: Your name sounds a bit “Elfish” when I say it.
Lore of Hashut all the way, the spell Burning Wrath along with Ashstorm is what you want to access. You might want to get that Prophet flying either with a Bale Taurus or a flying carpet.
2 Khans is a solid choice, vanguard and send them towards enemy cannons.
For core you’ll want Blunderbusses or HW+S, and some hobgoblins.
Dual Hellcannons is solid. Deployed on the flanks is a classic but sharing a Daemonsmith in the center is my own style of playing them.
I would drop the chalice for a flying carpet of arabia: this way your prophet will be able to move around, escape, be in range for his spells etc… You can bluff your ennemy by just puting him close to a magma canon then move 20’ ^^
I would put charmed shield on your daemonsmith: 3+armor and canon shot wasted on 2+, nice for 5pts.
Drop the overseer in your infernal guard units. gleaning pennant not that usefull since you have the BSB.
I would go for banner of swiftness. Or replace GW with fireglaives or just HW and shield, that’s also tough.
For exemple:
-19 infernal guards with banner en musician. 248pts
-20 infernal guards with fireglaives, full command, overseer with naphta bomb. 377pts
Total: 625pts
Won’t be easy in scenario where you have to occupy the table and take objectives…
Was considering the flying prophet, I just really like the chalice. But I can always change that up as it wouldn’t involve me buying another model. I know hobgobs are super efficient for their cost, but I would find it hard to use non elite infantry(coming from WoC). I think I will go to a unit of fireglaives but I def wanna keep a unit of GW. No dramas dropping the gleaming pennant, and I could prove drop dispel scroll as I have never played with them before so I’m used to that.
Was considering the flying prophet, I just really like the chalice. But I can always change that up as it wouldn't involve me buying another model. I know hobgobs are super efficient for their cost, but I would find it hard to use non elite infantry(coming from WoC). I think I will go to a unit of fireglaives but I def wanna keep a unit of GW. No dramas dropping the gleaming pennant, and I could prove drop dispel scroll as I have never played with them before so I'm used to that.
Territhael
Dangerous dropping both dispelscroll and chalice, I'd personally rather drop a magmacannon than the chalice-smith though. Anyhow you got a strong list and you'll find out what works in your meta after you get some games in :cheers
As for your armylist I really like it and it’s a good shopping list as well. I too play only in a friendly non-competitive envieronment.
I do have a few suggestions however - not too list changing.
Hobgoblins are good to have, we all agree. I have not used hobgoblins in two years, havn’t build any yet and I still win most games - so it’s not a must. Plus it’s the dwarfs that’s the cool part.
I would take out a magmacannon and put in a deathshrieker. Why? It’s a cool model and performs some other roles in the shooting phase. The 5’’ blast will destroy t3 armies. The S8 hit d6W with the death rocket ability is perfect for taking out monsters, chariots and enemy warmachines.
If not flying around and lucky with your khans, a dwarf/empire gunline will win the battle against our warmachines because of their S10 d6W.
The saved points could go into the IG. I love big blocks of infernal guard, great dudes. HW/S is my favourite as they are so hard to kill. Two things:
We have the small bases and the Castellan makes them stubborn. You’ll get more combat res points with attacks, than the extra rank. So you might as well go for a horde with one unit. The Razor Banner is a good investment for a HW/S unit. The Gleaming Pennant is not that important as you want to stay with your warmachines and have the BSB near.
I find 19 (20) in the classic 5*4 is too little and always go for 25. Because with only four ranks they’ll loose rank bonus at one death and will never get steadfast anyways.
I know GW vs HW/S is a matter of taste. I don’t think it’s worth the points to have GWs on both units. And I always give my Castellan a shield. Better keep him alive and safe, your IG (especially with GWs) will score enough kills.
One way to go could be with a 29 unit for the Castellan and in horde. And a small 10 fireglaive unit for taking out eagles, fast cav etc and keep the daemonsmith safe near warmachines.
If you do go for a flying prophet, you’ll need another daemonsmith. Four warmachines needs two babysitters. Fire your magma cannons first, you can’t miss with them is placing your shot 9’’ away from the enemy. Then if all goes well youøll have scatter dice re-rolls for the HCs, giving a 1/3 direct hit change. HCs are my favourite unit.
I would lastly suggest to keep you prophet (if not flying) out of combat and a unit. He has a good look out sir near machines. And the extra mobility is really needed going Lore of Hashut. He’ll stay safe.
A few pointers without changing your list too much. Welcome to the side of the only true Chaos God.
Alright I’ve tweeked the list I feel I’m happy with it more so now. I dropped chalice all together got a flying rug for the prophet and changed his shield to charmed. Daemonsmith dropped scroll and enchanted shield and now takes lore of death and ruby ring.
Core is the biggest change. Now running 19 s/b IG with standard and musician. Then a 10 man GW unit with full command and another 10 man fireglaive unit with full command.
War machines are unchanged.
I’m happy with this more now as it has a bit of everything in it. I know 10 man units are not very good our not so mobile big-hats, but as I said it’s not supposed to be super competative.
Any other thoughts from the more experienced generals out there?
Otherwise I’m gonna be doin some enslaving of some big hats for my conquest.
Enchanted shield is better: 2+/4++ save is the best.
canon shots and catapult will have trouble to claim direct hit since you have a very small base and can move wherever you want to hide. Try lore of death: fatalitas + hellcanon is fatal ^^
ruby ring…better take a dispell scroll, you would be more effective. take charmed shield on this little guy.
You troops aren’t going to wistand anything or kill antything if you play them by 10. better take a 20 strong unit.
As i told you, 19 IG with HW & shield + 20 fireglaives. Or 24 IG with HW & shield and and 20 IG with GW…I would go for fireglaives. Naphta bomb allow you to declare stand and shoot without the -1 to hit for long range on fireglaives, making the unit more accurate when standing and shooting.
It is really a matter of taste. Your army is about the most competitive thing you can come up with lol. I ran a similar list yesterday at a tournament (2 hellcannons, irondaemon, rocket) and it will seriously punish people. With your list, unless you get terrible unlikely luck (such as how i got) you will be winning by a landslide versus most armies.
At 2500 I would do these changes, take one largish unit of infernal guard unit preferably with fireglaives about 27+ so that they can help shoot things to death. Then I know people have been saying no to hobgoblins, but they are actually quite nice, and the old metal minis are superb on the tabletop, additionally russian alternative makes them in the same flavor all look ace when next to chaos dwarfs. Anyway take a unit of 20 with bows to help with the shooting.
Magic, I would just take double daemonsmiths at level 2. Both with lore of metal. The augments are great for us if combat happens, and searing doom really does make a mockery out of a lot of high armor opponents. Final transmutation, is just another great spell.
Lastly, with that much shooting, you need something fast to get you points. This was the biggest issue for me at 2000 points (could not afford anything else). I would take a Bullcentaur clean up crew, likely a unit 6 or 5+taur’ruk.