[Archive] 2k civil war

Saxon:

just a quick battle repost of the game I had today vs a dwarf player, it was a good game for me, although my opponent spent the entire game complaining about how OP the CD’s were and how his dwarfs sucked now :frowning: sigh

my opponent had only played a couple of 8th ed games, and I haven’t played a whole lot more

anyway my list was:

Sorc-proph - lvl4, channeling staff, 4+wsv, crown of command

bsb enchanted shield

20 warriors - f/c and fireglaives

20 warriors - f/c gw

magma cannon

4 fireborn

magma cannon

destroyer

his list

rune lord with rune that takes you powerdice

thane bsb

30 warriors

25 warriors g/w

2 x 10 xbows

25 hammerers

cannon, grudge thrower, organ gun (with engineers and runed up the wazoo - sadly no rune of burning :frowning: )

unit of miners

for mission we rolled the diagonal deployment one, the table had a hill in each zone and a couple of forrests in the middle, in reality terrain had no effect.

I deployed first with (from left to right) fireborn, destroyer, magma cannon, fireglaives with lvl4, warriors with bsb - nice and tight and right up on the edge

my opponent deployed (from my left to right) xbows and hammerers facing off vs the kdaii with the organ gun and 2 dwarf blocks with characters and the other xbows facing my blocks. the cannon and stone thrower deployed on his hill

CD Turn 1

since I deployed first I went first, the kdaii and destroyer marched as far as possible on the left while my blocks shuffled forward slightly. Magic was an absolute fail - with the runelord adding +2 dispell dice, plus rune of balance taking one of my dice, plus the fact I didn’t roll over 6 power dice for the whole game meant magic = fail, despite me rolling +1 to channeling on my darkforged weapon. My shooting was much better, the fireglaives targetted the organ gun, but failed to scratch it, whereas the magma cannon aimed for the hammers, went forward enough to land right on the unit and killed 15 of the buggers - get in! (insert 5 minute whine about how dwarf flame cannons got nerfed and how CD are OP and broken). The hammers passed their test and it was over to the dwarfs

Dwarf TURN 1

the dwarfs went for a general advance with the blocks on my right marching forward and missile troops staying still. The remaining hammers marched forwards towards the destroyer preparing to take the charge. Now, to be fair my opponent had some bad luck in his first shooting phase. The cannon targetted the destroyer and misfired, luckily he had an engineer for a reroll, and misfired! but no harm was done. The stone thrower targetted the GW warriors and… misfired, re-roll saw the shot scatter away 6 inches. The organ gun had more luck getting 8 hits on the generals fireglaive unit and killing 3, while the xbows on the left targetted the fireborn and missed, while the ones on the right managed to kill 3 GW warriors (I sucked at saves all game with these guys)

CD Turn 2 - its go time!

fireborn charged the xbows who stand and shoot and cause a couple of wounds. The destroyer charges through a forest (abysmal forest - now I cause fear :slight_smile: ) and hits the hammerers. The fireglaives stay still while my block moves forward to tempt the dwarfs forward into charging (I had a plan) Magic again fizzes (I got one spell off for the whole game - hellhammer - which was out of range!) shooting was less successful, fireglaives again failed to damage the organ gun, while the magma cannon failed to land on target. Combat was brutal! the fireborn killed 5 xbows took nothing in return, the xbows broke but the fireborn restrained pursuit to face down the flanks of the dwarf blocks. The destroyer stomped the hammerers hard leaving 3 of their number, who held thanks to stubborn and the nearby bsb.

Dwarf turn 2

the warrior block and GW block declared charges vs my warrior with GW block, measurement showed they only needed a roll of 6 to get in on 2D6 - the dice rolled, 3 and 4 - both failed. The fleeing Xbows rallied on the fireborn flank while the miners arrived behind the fireborn on my far left. Shooting was so-so - the organ gun killed another 3 fireglaives, while the other Xbows killed another 2 warriors. The cannon aimed at the fireborn, hit the first guy, wounded, but who passed his ward save - my opponent was then insistent that the cannon ball went through and hit the rest of the unit, I showed him the rulebook stating how this doesn’t work when targetting monstrous infantry (insert 5 minute whine session about how broken monstrous infantry were, how the cannon ball should go through and how CD’s were broken, and how Dwarfs had been shafted). Combat consisted of the destroyer killing the remaining 3 hammerers and reforming to face the big warrior blocks flank

CD Turn 3 - the return of “its go time!”

I love it when a plan comes together, the warrior with GW block charged the front of his BSB’s warrior block, while the destroyer charged past the organ gun into the flank. The fireborn (who managed to loose one of their number due to burning bright) charged the organ gun but lined to overrun into the other combat (can you see what I did there?). Magic… NEXT!, shooting was funny - the magma cannon targets the GW dwarfs, over shoots 10" and would have only hit 2, I decided to re-roll thanks to infernal engineer being with 3" - misfire! BOOM goodbye magma cannon. Fireglaives kill one gw warrior - onto combat - I declare the fireborn vs organ gun combat first and manage to kill them all and overrun into the dwarf warrior flank next to the destroyer. I was a touch concerned about this, if I didn’t knock steadfast off the dwarf warriors my warrior block would get flanked by the GW dwarfs in the next turn. The bsb’s declare a challenge and go at it - my opponent is shocked that my BSB has the same stats as his thane (only a 2 minute whine about brokeness this time), but the only handbag each other, the fireborn and destroyer kill a bunch for no wounds in return, my dwarfs drop a couple of warriors, and take one in return. Thunderstomps and stomps do more damage (insert whine about monsters and monstrous infantry getting stomp - I was getting a headache at this point). In the wash-up ranks, standards, bsb are all equal - except I caused 10 wounds more than he did! not suprising the big warrior unit breaks and gets run down with my warrior unit chasing an impressive 10". This leaves my warriors, kdaii and destoyer behind his line facing up hill towards the warmachines. At this point my opponent conceeds (insert 15 minute whine about brokeness, OP CD’s how its not fair he couldn’t find any info about the army online, how dwarfs have been nerfed, how warmachines are nerfed etc etc)

The washup

I’m proud of myself for 2 things:

1) I had a plan (of sorts) and stuck to it, I weighted one flank and held off with my centre untill I was in a position to flank charge

2) I didn’t punch this guy. When I last played WHFB back in 6th ed I probably would have at least told him to get stuffed, suck it up and grow a pair - but I like to think I’ve matured since then, I took his complaints and passive-aggressive attitude with good humour and lots of (aha, ummm, yeah etc)

the dwarf anti magic was tough, my level 4 failed to do anything. Kdaii destroyers rock!

Thanks for reading

Bassman:

2) I didn't punch this guy.  When I last played WHFB back in 6th ed I probably would have at least told him to get stuffed, suck it up and grow a pair - but I like to think I've matured since then, I took his complaints and passive-aggressive attitude with good humour and lots of (aha, ummm, yeah etc)

Saxon
Good! I know the situation. They do not understand that is not an excuse to not have fun! How many times I played my 8 years old 2 pages RH pdf against Dark Elves, Vampires and other modern armies without complaining and just trying to do my best. I'm so proud of many battles when I was albe to make them sweat to get their victory :hat off

He is even a dwarf player! We die without complainings! We are not whiny elves :s

zhatan87:

2) I didn't punch this guy.
Ahahah:) The comments on his attitude are pretty funny, even if it must have been pretty boring for you...
It's me or many dwarfs players have such attitude : complaints, grumble, and so on...
I read a thread where people asked if the choice of our army is influenced by our personnality... Or if the nature of our army rub off on our personnality:)

Thanks for your report!

Thommy H:

my opponent is shocked that my BSB has the same stats as his thane (only a 2 minute whine about brokeness this time)
Why would he be shocked about that? Those are the stats his BSB would have too - they're always Hero-level characters. It sounds like this guy doesn't really know anything about anything.

Baggronor:

He whined that CDs are overpowered and broken, and regular Dwarfs are nerfed and rubbish? That’d be why my highest tournament finish is with regular Dwarfs then :slight_smile: They are hard as nails when played right.

my opponent is shocked that my BSB has the same stats as his thane (only a 2 minute whine about brokeness this time)
The only part worth mentioning is that the regular Dwarf Thane has access to much better equipment…

Looks like his only real error (apart from his list ;)) was not firing every single war machine at the Destroyer.
I read a thread where people asked if the choice of our army is influenced by our personnality… Or if the nature of our army rub off on our personnality
There is definitely something true in there. My armies are CDs, WoC, DEs and VCs. I may have issues :slight_smile:

Saxon:

Looks like his only real error (apart from his list ;)) was not firing every single war machine at the Destroyer.

Baggronor
Exactly right, he deployed badly, split his line and came forward. If he castled around his hill and made me come to him I would have lost I believe

Kera foehunter:

Kera snicker

2000pt

come on did you pick his army??

no thunderers smell kinda fishy

ChungEssence:

"insert 5 minute whine about how dwarf flame cannons got nerfed and how CD are OP and broken). "

He does have a very valid point there and the Destroyer is OP also. Not that I have a problem playing against them but it’s a very valid point. Especially the Flame vs Magma Cannon comparison. That said, seems from your post that he’s an allround whinger and the BSB/Thane comparison is laughable… especially as your CD equivalent costs more points. Monsterous Infantry has been done well in 8th I think. I like the Stomp and Thunderstomp rules. I mean they are ‘monsterous’ afterall.

Dwarfs have had a MASSIVE boost from 8th so he’s just tripping. I mean now my stunty little fellows can charge a massive 15 if I roll well, compared to a meagre 6 before. It makes melee dwarfs actually possible to play which is great fun.

At first when I saw the title I thought this was played with the White Dwarf civil war rules. Anyway, cheers for the report and congrats on the win even against a sour opponent. Good to see the Fireborn busting it out.

spriten:

It’s of course okay to complain about such things as the Magma Cannon and Destroyer, but the others seem a little off, and can get very tiresome over time.
Your self dicipline would make a samurai jealous :slight_smile:

Great report though, thanks for sharing :slight_smile:

Zargon the Black:

Thanks for the report. Fun to read and concise so hats off to you :hat off

I think that guy needs to improve his list. I’ve found dwarfs to be anything but nerfed in 8th edition

(bit off topic here but…) As for the Destroyer i feel its the first time a monster has been done right. Its a shame it was forge world and not GW that did it. GW are trying so hard to push the big kits but with no armour/ward and low Inititive on most monsters, they are just spell/skink bait.

WORGORE:

Nice report, always good to hear of others conquests over the lesser races :slight_smile:

Just makes me giggle when people say their army is rubbish and yours is overpowered! Sour grapes just springs to mind!

Gmaleron:

He does have a very valid point there and the Destroyer is OP also. Not that I have a problem playing against them but it's a very valid point.

ChungEssence
First of all great report, glad to see the warriors of Hashut prevailed over the grungi lovers :cheers. Secondly on the quote above I sort of fail to see how both items are OP when we pay so many points for them, it is what balances us out I thought. Paying nearly 200pts. before upgrades for a cannon and over three hundred for a monstrous creature is way more expensive then any other monster and/or cannon in the game as far as I can tell. Yes both are very good, but in the overall picture we pay alot to run them in our army.