Hello all! Longtime lurker finally posting in the wake of AoS.
I’m not sure about the variety of fan options coming; I’m personally a member of several other forms (primarily Warhammer-Empire), but one I’ve joined is EEFL (Eighth Edition For Life), which is aiming mostly to preserve 8th edition, maybe offer a minimally updated errata sheet (a sort of 8.1 if you will, to make it easier for people to agree on and adopt; less changes the better I feel), and update the most sorely in need of an update army books to be balanced for 8th.
We’re at http://eefl.freeforums.net/ for the moment, and admittedly I’m sort of taking on the task of ambassador, looking for like-minded types to help support the idea. It would be best to have players with as many different race preferences and backgrounds as possible, as that will make it much easier to balance and playtest whatever comes out of all this work. At the end of the day we’re just a group of people who aren’t happy with AoS at all, and want to preserve what we love about this game if GW won’t.
welcome, I’m with you with the fact that AoS is disappointing and such, also with the the 8th edition stuff. But even though GW didnt really impress me with AoS and kinda made me mad by dumping Fantasy, I believe that GW took a step in the right direction with the wrong foot by moving on to something new to regain the popularity it once had instead of raising the prices of the models in order to make up for lack of sales and such. What GW did was something like Cadillac did when they were is the same situation. In fact here is the article where I got it from: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/07/warhammer-cadillac-gw-rolls-the-dice.html
Hey Toro_Blanco,
welcome, I'm with you with the fact that AoS is disappointing and such, also with the the 8th edition stuff. But even though GW didnt really impress me with AoS and kinda made me mad by dumping Fantasy, I believe that GW took a step in the right direction with the wrong foot by moving on to something new to regain the popularity it once had instead of raising the prices of the models in order to make up for lack of sales and such. What GW did was something like Cadillac did when they were is the same situation. In fact here is the article where I got it from: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/07/warhammer-cadillac-gw-rolls-the-dice.html
Hill_Billy_Bub
We've been discussing this fairly extensively on W-E, and the general consensus is that AoS would have been far better received if it had been a new game line launched alongside 40K and Fantasy, rather than replacing Fantasy altogether.
I think the idea of having a less complex and kid-friendly line to draw in new and younger players is a great idea. I'm less thrilled with the decision to end Fantasy, which I regard as the latest boneheaded misstep by a company that makes them with such regularity it's somewhat astonishing they're still in business in the first place.
The 9th age will release the beta within short and has started a countdown in form of daily sneak peaks! You can check them out at http://www.the-ninth-age.com/news/ . They have also gotten twitter going at The_9th_Age !
Hey Toro_Blanco,
welcome, I'm with you with the fact that AoS is disappointing and such, also with the the 8th edition stuff. But even though GW didnt really impress me with AoS and kinda made me mad by dumping Fantasy, I believe that GW took a step in the right direction with the wrong foot by moving on to something new to regain the popularity it once had instead of raising the prices of the models in order to make up for lack of sales and such. What GW did was something like Cadillac did when they were is the same situation. In fact here is the article where I got it from: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/07/warhammer-cadillac-gw-rolls-the-dice.html
Hill_Billy_Bub
I'm less thrilled with the decision to end Fantasy, which I regard as the latest boneheaded misstep by a company that makes them with such regularity it's somewhat astonishing they're still in business in the first place.
Toro_Blanco
i doubt they will be in business much longer, I give it about 10 yrs before they are bought out by Mantic or PP or someone and they start releasing all the old games like BB, Epic , WfB etc
super interesting army rules! http://www.the-ninth-age.com/pdf/the-ninth-age_armies_0-5-0.pdf
BABIS
Agree! This should be fun... Missing some green skins though. But as a replacement for Tamurkhan it looks just fine. Most guys around here seems really interested and there is actually som WFB talk again. :D
Hey Toro_Blanco, welcome, I’m with you with the fact that AoS is disappointing and such, also with the the 8th edition stuff. But even though GW didnt really impress me with AoS and kinda made me mad by dumping Fantasy, I believe that GW took a step in the right direction with the wrong foot by moving on to something new to regain the popularity it once had instead of raising the prices of the models in order to make up for lack of sales and such. What GW did was something like Cadillac did when they were is the same situation. In fact here is the article where I got it from: Warhammer & Cadillac - GW Rolls the Dice - Bell of Lost Souls
Hill_Billy_Bub
I’m less thrilled with the decision to end Fantasy, which I regard as the latest boneheaded misstep by a company that makes them with such regularity it’s somewhat astonishing they’re still in business in the first place.
Toro_Blanco
i doubt they will be in business much longer, I give it about 10 yrs before they are bought out by Mantic or PP or someone and they start releasing all the old games like BB, Epic , WfB etc
Doombeard
Gw are going to be fine their ips are really strong I mean they make millions a year alone in video game royalties and that’s not going to change. I feel the men in charge would rather kill the mini game and focus on games before giving up the brand. Video games have no logistical overheads.
The Ninth Ages main rules don’t look too bad. A few weird bits, like spears for mounted units are now “light lances” - which is a pointless change. There are quite a few silly little things like that, seems like a waste of time and energy.
The Infernal Dwarf rules don’t look too bad either, even if Hobgoblins are now Kobolds. All temporary really though.
The work on the real army books is about to begin and the best ones to do it are the players who knows the army best. So sign up to help make it what it should be!
I have my own reason to enjoy the AoS, and it is understandible why they did remove the point system. I want you all to think about it. Why would they remove the point system?
Take me for an example. I do play Chaos Dwarfs and I do play Dark Elves. I play Tau, I got a nice army of the 21st cursed founding black dragons chapter with custom abominations. But if we focus on Chaos Dwarfs, What do we got in the book Tamurkhan the throne of chaos?, the official rules that is allowed on the tournaments. How many of you used the Infernal Guard Ironsworns? How many of you used the Hobgoblin Wolf Raider that was a rare choice. How many of you used the Chaos Seige Giant?
I bet that none of you used Drazhoath the Ashen, when a Sorcerer Prophet with a Bale Taurus was cheaper? Not to mention the points was anoying and it hold models back. How about Tamurkhan, he was so expensive, not just money wise, but point wise that few did get him. He cost with the Tyrant host 835 points. If a general cost 25% of the army, think about all the cash you had so spend to get this guy playable. You needed an army on 3340 points. That would cost a fortune not just for that model , but for the total cost for one amry.
It is not about makeing this game " kid friendly ", it is about to save the models that no one bought or cared about. We got the same problem with 40k. Lets take Eldar. How many would use the Guardians, or the Assult Guardians, when we have the Dire Avengers, or Rangers? Sooner or later, some models will be lost. It happend to Tamurkhan, Forgeworld did remove him from the website. Hell even the Chaos Siege Giant was removed. THe CsG has not come back yet. Tamurkhan on the other hand came back with the new AOS system.
This is not the first time the warhammer community got splitted for some changes. We had it between 3rd and 4th. We had it again at 7th and 8th. If you ask me, I think AoS is a great idé. It is not all that I had hoped for, but atleast they are trying to save the models, and the models do much now. Even the Goblins got a chance now.
I was considering playing 9th age because it looks like that the way the wind is blowing here in Ohio. The local tournament organizers have refused to follow suit with the rest of the Indy Tourney scene and adopt KoW, even though I am not a “tourney player” 9th is what people will be playing. For anyone who is also considering I would seriously encourage you to provide feedback. The beta version of the army book is up over at the 9th age website.
It is bad. There really is no other way to say it. The ETC crowd apparently really hated CD warmachines. I mean what is the point of a STR4 range 12 cannon. It is a cannon not a shotgun. They however failed to make our rank and file dwarves any better in order to compensate for the reduced effectiveness of shooting.
I was really looking forward to this release and I am utterly disappointed. The TAC list had a lot of promise, but the “finished” army list completely derailed at some point. So please provide feedback to help them pull there heads out of their arses.
I was considering playing 9th age because it looks like that the way the wind is blowing here in Ohio. The local tournament organizers have refused to follow suit with the rest of the Indy Tourney scene and adopt KoW, even though I am not a "tourney player" 9th is what people will be playing. For anyone who is also considering I would seriously encourage you to provide feedback. The beta version of the army book is up over at the 9th age website.
It is bad. There really is no other way to say it. The ETC crowd apparently really hated CD warmachines. I mean what is the point of a STR4 range 12 cannon. It is a cannon not a shotgun. They however failed to make our rank and file dwarves any better in order to compensate for the reduced effectiveness of shooting.
I was really looking forward to this release and I am utterly disappointed. The TAC list had a lot of promise, but the "finished" army list completely derailed at some point. So please provide feedback to help them pull there heads out of their arses.
Heavygear
Well, to be completely honest I kinda like the list. True, the Magma Cannon now has only a 12" range, but you still have to add the flame template to it. Our infantry is still as hard as nails but now is cheaper and has more options, such as halberds. Also, the Ironsworn now come with a reduced point cost, have 2 attacks, and great weapon by default. We got skirmishers, and we got the cavalry size Bull Centaurs back :). Ah, we also have a generic fighty Lord now (yay)! Castellans can ride Great Tauri. And the Iron Daemon seems good. I don't understand what was their reasoning behind the Destroyer though. That thing is cheaper than before and aside the loss of +D3A frenzy is basically the same thing. Other players are going to moan so hard about it.
Beforehand I have to say that I didnt test them practically and I didnt compare most of the other armies, so this is only first impression. The rules are very clear written which is a improvement to our WFB 8th edition rules. I like the new army special rules (triple march move, Supreme race) and some of the army choices are really better playable now. Little Kdaii for example or the Ironsworn. The great Bale is tougher now, Lammasu in the normal army list, a fighting lord, you can make a Tauruk as a BSB. There are additional choices like Orc slaves, cav based bullcentaurs and zealots, also an interesting choice. Blunderbusses are cheaper now and seem not so strong anymore but more calculable with higher range. All over versatility is improved. Peaks (destroyer) and war machines in general were scaled down. This may be ok, but it was too much for my taste, especially the magma cannon. Iron daemon isn`t so tough as before as well at first glance.
So my first impression is that the list is good for a beta release, but there should be some fine tuning at the warmachines especially. I like the new choices, but I have the feeling that the character of the army has changed more than a little. Perhaps this could be a little shifted.
