*sigh* I'll take it to kinkos... in bulk.... I dunno what you wanna hear. Its a hypothetical situation.
Kinkos still makes money.. if you think they don't your convoluted in your thinking... Even my books are essentally illegal copies of GW IP.. But its my personal copy and if GW wants to persue it.. have at it.
For years and years, starting in the 20's and into 80's and 90's groups of fans of different books and music have produced their own literature, fanzines and books, that borrowed directly and indirectly from the things they loved as a group. Legally nothings changed. Only people's fear of the law. The way those groups got around the legal aspects is that their internal literature was not for public dissemination. Club dues or general subscription fees that were not directly paying for the literature but in fact used to cover those costs were collected and used.
For years and Years, starting in the dawn of time people would kill other people in private places without witnesses, they would also form groups in which would kidnap folk and kill them in basements for the enjoyment of the private group. The group fees werent used to kill the folk but it was used to buy the place and allow for the killings..
Im being a arse here.. but this is my point.. Just because its private doesnt make it Legal or Right.
Also you talk about Fear of the Law... Personally I don't fear the law.. I RESPECT the law. As Laws are in place for a reason. Its called Civilization. While everyone from time to time skirts the fine edge of legal and illegal and sometimes crossing it (like i did when printing my copies) as long as its a small step its fine.. your talking about taking a lead from first base that takes you 3 steps from home.. Your gonna get tagged.
Maybe I should have started the thread out... "what if we lived in a magical fairy land of rainbows and unicorns, where GW wouldn't care about a little fan made publication?"
You could have... but I don't think it would have been an appropriate title.. your current one is fine.
I wish people weren't so adversarial. I wish people didn't feel they have to do GW's job for them. I wish people didn't feel they had to oppose a hypothetical situation. This is making a physical copy of something written by fans, that is already available; not something that should be opposed on face value.
Wait, Let me get this straight... So you came on a public board to gauge an OPINION Poll. But when people give the opinion you don't personally agree with they are being adversarial? Really?
Heres my opinion if that is true.. you should abstain from asking opinions ever again on any public debate. Or should put an addendum in your future opinion polls like "If you disagree with me, get bent!" I mean really.. Your asking how much people are willing to pay for it.. ok that said.. why would you be asking how much people are willing to pay unless you were looking to sell or as you put it "provide" them.
We are simply giving you OPINIONS on what you want to do and you take it as hostile.. believe me.. Im not being hostile. Its a warning.. regardless of what you may think you can get away with.. I guarantee you cant afford to get the GW monkey off your back once its there. Why risk something like taking your own time and money, getting this stuff printed and bound for multitudes of people then provide it at cost on the internet where GW is assuredly going to see it, then get a S&D letter, If not instant litigation causing you to either pay GW recouped costs for perceived loss of revenue or pay a lawyer to defend your actual rights and get the charges dropped. I mean its a Lose/Lose scenario. You also put pressure on future fan made lists including the writers of the Indy GT list as they are going to be the first hassled about it by GW.
This is about what something would be worth to you. For you it was obviously worth $40.
Actually, It was 20... you didnt read my post completely. I got 2 books made.
In ending.. I think your best bet.. is to get your own book made as it seems you want one. Then write a tutorial on how you went about it.. the costs involved and contacts to any people you found along the way that helped in the process.
I think people would be up for that.
BTW.. My books are also the same size as the Mini-Rulebook which is awesome but some people wont go for.. this option would allow for people to get their personal wants in their own copy.
In ending... I believe i will need a Disclaimer..
This post was in its intent to provide a response to the OP of the post in a manner in which i would have personally addressed in in face to face conversation. I use saracastic metaphors alot in my daily life and most find it amusing. Sometimes it is perceived as hostile in text as vocal tone is hard to protray in simple text.
I mean no offense towards the OP and feel he poses a good question, that evolved over conversation into new questions which, In my opinion should be addressed for the betterment of the community as a whole. ...This is what public discussion should ultimately do.
Xander.. Yeah ill look at home.. I know it was a bit of a hassle.. as i had to organize the pdf for book printing.. i.e. combine pg 1 with last page and work like that to the center.. and the indy GT was a hassle as it didnt have an even amount of pages so i made another showcase page. I did kinkos.. but normally they wont print without a written authorization from the writer.. I know a manager at one and she pushed it though. as far as the quality of paper it was Grade 2 Magazine Stock with 100lb weight i believe.. but dont quote me.. this was months ago. the covers were grade 1 im sure and i think 20lb weight more than the pages.. so 120lb.. but without my stuff i cant be definate.. the Binder was local and did it as a favor. I went perfect bound (they perferate the center of the page (each page shows 2
then they use a machine to inject hot glue into the binding inside the cover and it links the pages together. they then trim the edges. it looks awesome in the end and is more durable than simple staple binding but it costs more usually. He is a fellow player and i got it at cost as i setup the new dark elf book to be done the same way..
The hardest part was really making the PDF to give to the printer.. as it had to be to exacting specs and had to have the extra paper in the pages for binding etc. I could write a tutorial.. but would love for someone else to.. as it was an ordeal to say the least.