I’m not playing for a long time with Chaos Dwarfs and one question is still unanswered, despite long searches.
Do Chaos Dwarfs are considered Dwarfs when speaking in terms of rules ?
For example O&G have “Hatred (Dwarfs)”, does it applies to our troops?
High Elves and Skaven also have magical objects against Dwarfs…
Does the rule apply to the race, so Chaos Dwarfs are not Dwarfs, or is it applying to “the kind of miniature”, like Hatred (Greenskin), including all kind of orcs, goblins, gnoblars, hobgoblins, etc.?
gIL^ beat me to it - I was going to post the same thing. I think the fear of ‘elves’ has set the precedent and we should count as ‘dwarfs’ in such cases.
To me no : Fear of elves : in OnG, it’s specifically stated that it apply to all kind of elves. When a rule quote a name, it’s always a race. For example, Hate (X) always quote one army. Moreover, when these rules were written, FW CD didn’t exist.
The problem with RAW/RAI is that it is unclear for both. Do Chaos Dwarfs count as a different race from other Dwarfs? There are mutations mentioned are in the fluff, but is it enough. Even back several editions it was clear that Chaos Dwarfs didn’t get any of the advantages of being Dwarfs when it came to magic resistance and magic items. For this reason, I’ve always played it that if it doesn’t specify “Dwarfs and Chaos Dwarfs” or “all types of Dwarf” then it doesn’t apply to CDs. Assume that a magic weapon that works extra well against Dwarfs is not tuned for Chaos Dwarfs so doesn’t operate.
The most important thing is that you decide all this BEFORE you start the game. Nothing worse than people making decisions based on assumption that the other player agrees to the same interpretation.
It is as simple as this in all instances of all non character, bull centaur, k’daii, or hobgoblin in the Bestiary they are listed as Chaos Dwarf weather we are flavored with chaos or not we are still dwarfs
Well this was a puzzler for me. I always assumed that “no” Chaos Dwarfs don’t count as dwarfs for purposes of the race specific rules until you mentioned the goblins fearing elves of all types.
So I decided to get an answer from Forge World
Hi,
Thank you for your email. Chaos Dwarfs do not count as Dwarfs in regards to Goblin hatred.
If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.
Well this was a puzzler for me. I always assumed that "no" Chaos Dwarfs don't count as dwarfs for purposes of the race specific rules until you mentioned the goblins fearing elves of all types.
So I decided to get an answer from Forge World
Hi,
Thank you for your email. Chaos Dwarfs do not count as Dwarfs in regards to Goblin hatred.
If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.
Regards,
Forge World
so there you have it, they're not Dwarfs
Cheers
Vogon
Vogon
Now thats taking the initiative :hat off Slaves incoming.
Well this was a puzzler for me. I always assumed that "no" Chaos Dwarfs don't count as dwarfs for purposes of the race specific rules until you mentioned the goblins fearing elves of all types.
So I decided to get an answer from Forge World
Hi,
Thank you for your email. Chaos Dwarfs do not count as Dwarfs in regards to Goblin hatred.
If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.
Regards,
Forge World
so there you have it, they're not Dwarfs
Cheers
Vogon
Vogon
Cheers Vogon, I tried in the past to contact FW, but I never get any answer. Maybe I used the wrong email or my english was too ugly and considered as a spam. :D
Personally I would say no. Chaos Dwarfs are not Dwarfs - we are different races and have different looks and personalities.
If we are considered Dwarfs, are Dragon Ogres considered as Ogres with regards to spells etc? Are zombies considered as humans? Sounds daft but if the argument stems from ‘What were they originally before a metamorphosis beheld them?’ then it does open up some interesting discussions.
With the lack of clear confirmation, I would play it as no and argue the case in a game. Chaos Dwarfs are the definition of all that Dwarfs detest - lack of honour, magic, relationships with greenskins, worshipping false gods, alliances with Chaos and monsters as mounts - this alone sates that we are not the same.
Bum, sent that rhetoric and then saw the ‘clear confirmation’ I was seeking above from Vogon. That will teach me to be more thorough in my reading before passing comment.