[Archive] Army book supplements

Grimstonefire:

So, we’ve seen the codex Eldar: Iyanden and now the Codex Tau: Farsight Enclaves released.

So what’s your thoughts on this new trend?

For those not following these things they’re releasing hardback & digital supplements that focus on a specific part of the main army list and present a lot more background material, lots of photos, some missions and I believe an alternate army list/force organisation chart.

The next one is rumoured to be Black Legion.

Da Crusha:

at first I was excited to have something else tau but I also feel like its just a ploy by the evil gw to get us to buy 2 books instead of one.

Skink:

at first I was excited to have something else tau but I also feel like its just a ploy by the evil gw to get us to buy 2 books instead of one.

Da Crusha
This is actually an intelligent comment. I don't own either of these expansions, so the questions are:

-Are these books REALLY bringing something to the main army (background, rules, etc.)?

-The new rules make for something different or it is just the same army list with a couple of new pieces of equipment???

EDIT: I just read a review of the Iyanden expansion. Apparently it's really really bad. This guy talks about the author character murdering the Eldar race, pages and pages of crap campaign material (it can be played only against Nids), recycled black and white pictures (just coloured for the book), and basically just two pages focusing on new rules and equipment. If this is the reality then the situation is pretty bad!

Thommy H:

Then you managed to find the one bad review since everyone else seems to really like these!

An important thing to remember is that these are supplements, not necessary additions. You can play Iyanden just fine with Codex: Eldar, this just gives you a couple of new options and lots of background. Similarly, Commander Farsight is in Codex: Tau Empire and if you don’t want an all-battlesuit army led by him, just use the basic list.

In 3rd Edition it got really bad with the variants because every Space Marine Chapter had to have its own stupid rules - you couldn’t play as Imperial Fists or Raven Guard or whatever without the pointless tweaks that made them special snowflakes. This feels different, and the content seems to be pretty good.

I’m not sure whether we’ll see the same thing rolled out for Warhammer, just because the background doesn’t lend itself to these kinds of variants, despite how they shoehorned the concept into 6th Edition.

Skink:

I'm not sure whether we'll see the same thing rolled out for Warhammer, just because the background doesn't lend itself to these kinds of variants, despite how they shoehorned the concept into 6th Edition.

Thommy H
...Well, I reckon they sort of tried to do it with -Realms of Warhammer: Lustria- years ago (as a Lizardmen fan I really liked that book). But I do agree that a possible "Warhammer fantasy supplement line" doesn't seems feasible (at least not for the time being)...

P.S: This is the review I read.

EDIT: Apparently Farsight's supplement was full of typos and mistakes. Check here and here. I don't play 40k and I haven't bought GW books in a century, but still, I'd (naively) expect something more from the world's strongest miniature manifacturer!?!

Thommy H:

You never catch every tpyo!

Skink:

You never catch every tpyo!

Thommy H
I know (well not really, but I followed your CD book blog). Anyway, these ones are quite huge you'll give me that!

Grimstonefire:

I think it would be possible to do this sort of thing for warhammer, the SoC lists slotted into 8th would be a suitable equivalent.

All they need to do really is pick pretty much any special unit and max them out in the army list with extra rules add fluff etc.

GeofreyShank:

The Skaven come to mind as a warhammer book that could have supplements.

The mainly for the different clans but they did do this in an older edition of the codex so I’m not sure if they’d repeat that.

bas_2312:

Wouldn’t Chaos Dwarfs be an awesome option as a supplement armybook to Dwarfs? Just add some slaves, switch out some warmachines…

I think it would be the best option to see a GW Chaos Dwarf armybook again.

furrie:

the empire can be used, with all the provinces they have. As well as dwarfs with different holds. Warriors of chaos with different tribes and you can probably figure something out for every army

cornixt:

I'm not sure whether we'll see the same thing rolled out for Warhammer, just because the background doesn't lend itself to these kinds of variants, despite how they shoehorned the concept into 6th Edition.

Thommy H
It's fairly simple, you just add a new type of core or special unit, or switch the units between categories. Then call it a fringe army.

Baggronor:

I'm not sure whether we'll see the same thing rolled out for Warhammer, just because the background doesn't lend itself to these kinds of variants, despite how they shoehorned the concept into 6th Edition.
I think there are good fluff elements that could do the same thing like the wars of the Vampire Counts - a Sylvanian list with living militia vs Witch Hunter/Sigmaraite heavy Empire.

Or War of the Beard?

Maybe even a way to bring DoW back in?

AGPO:

Wasted potential as far as I’m concerned. For thirty quid I’d have expected something comparable either to a full campaign book or else an entirely new army book. Rules are already overpriced so I’ll be staying clear.

rpitts2004:

It’s GW’s way of getting more Money. Rumours has it Space Marines are set to release in September and then Black Templar will be a supplement book.

Thommy H:

It's GW's way of getting more Money.
Those MONSTERS.

rpitts2004:

Speaking of new Armies

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=10200002]

Lizardmen set for August

Grimstonefire:

It’s an interesting yet somewhat confusing way to break from their old way of doing things.

They very clearly split army books from alternate lists when SoC came out, making sure people understood that “army lists/codex” were going to be supported if they were produced as stand alone lists, but everything else wasn’t.

It would be a great opportunity for them to release rules/ books for all the non core space marine chapters, but I wonder if black Templar players will be left wondering where their codex is…

Skink:

Speaking of new Armies

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=10200002]

Lizardmen set for August

rpitts2004
There aren't many rumors on them around. Usually one week prior to an army release the web is flooded with leaked pics and rules... Oh well, I suppose we'll find out in 5 days!!!

Skink:

Twitch

Skip to minute 37 to see the new Lizzies. I kinda like the Carnosaur. It’s huuuuuge! More in line with GW’s current thread of making massive monsters.