Kera foehunter:
what the diffrents between the empier and the bretonnia
they both are the same to me there knight guys??and they are two country right next to each other.why not one army of men knight guys
now be nice im a girl
Thommy H:
The Empire isn’t an army of knights - they do have some knights, but only in small numbers. Most Empire armies consist of large infantry blocks backed up by cannons and other war machines. They’re the most balanced army in Warhammer with a little bit of everything.
Bretonnian is an army of knights. Their basic unit is some of the best (for its points) shock cavalry in the game. On the other hand, their infantry are awful - worse than Hobgoblins - and they only have one war machine (a glorified stone thrower).
So you can see that they’re very different armies. The only thing they have in common is being humans.
GRNDL:
Empire = mostly historical German “Landsknecht” army with a mix of 12-13th century stuff thrown in, has “technology.” Has a dark ages, pre-renaissance flair to it, so its gloomy and edgy.
Brettonian = Classical Arthurian type knight/crusade style army, with a slight mystical tinge. Its all Joan D’Arc and chivalrous, so has a brighter, nicer, more friendly feel. Heh.
To me, its a flavour difference. There are significant gameplay differences, though.
wallacer:
The empire is essentially modelled on the medieval Holy Roman Empire, whereas Brettonia is a mix of Arthurian legend and medieval France.
The Empire tends to have a higher standard of living, better technology and is more progressive (up to a point) whereas Brettonia is pretty much a third world country.
In older editions Brettonia played up the Arthurian Chivalry side more, whereas in this edition Brettonia has gotten a bit darker, emphasisng the down-trodden peasants and the general misery of life for most people living there (much to the annoyance of most people on the Brettonian forum).
In game terms Brettonia is a cavalry hammer army with limited tactical flexibility, whereas the Empire is a jack-of-all trades which can do pretty much anything on the battlefield, but not as well as other races which tend to be more specialised at certain types of fighting.
Kera foehunter:
but if the empier is more techology than the brettonia
how come they never made them part of the empier!!
or took them over
Thommy H:
The “Empire” is something of a misnomer - they don’t expand their territory or try to conquer other races. They’re called The Empire because they’re a confederation of smaller provinces, rather than one unified nation (like Bretonnia or Kislev).
Even if they did want to invade Bretonnia though, it wouldn’t be easy. The border is a mountain range infested with Orcs - even if they got through in enough numbers, resupplying their army in a foreign country would be almost impossible. Plus, you know, they’re allied with Bretonnia. They don’t want or need to conquer them.
wallacer:
The Empire bleeding itself dry in a war against Brettonia would be kind of foolish when there are plenty of Chaos worshippers to the North and Orcs to the East just waiting for a moment of vulnerability to strike at the Empire.
Plus, it would really mess up GW’s fluff 
Willmark:
The "Empire" is something of a misnomer - they don't expand their territory or try to conquer other races. They're called The Empire because they're a confederation of smaller provinces, rather than one unified nation (like Bretonnia or Kislev).To me I think its something of an allusion to the Holy Roman Empire.
Thommy H
As far as Bretonnians go their were presented quite differently in teh 1st edition of Warhammer Fantasy roleplay, something akin to 17th Century Musketeer France with a darker grittier fantasy element to it.
Thommy H:
To me I think its something of an allusion to the Holy Roman Empire.Yes, that's exactly it. And it's the same kind of confederation of states rather than a literal "empire" in the usual sense of an expansionist colonial nation.
Hashut’s Blessing:
As has been said: Empire is based on Germanic tribes, only progressed further. I’d say they used to be a jack-of all trades army, but now are a jack of all trades with a selection of Skaven-turned-Dwarf items showing up (which I hate). They speak an equivalent of German, but it’s always been translated to English for our sakes. But, it generally is infantry based with elements of hard cavalry where wanted.
Brettonia is an Agincourt army. It’s a mixture of chivalrous knights, Frenchisms and peasant bowmen (taken from English history). The knights are dead-hard and make up most of the force, the peasants are pathetic (except at archery), the heroes very archetypal of "a knight in shining armour) and they only have blessings (which turns out to be oirdinary magic) provided by noble womenfolk.
In terms of geography, the Empire is similar to the USA in terms of it has states and is a country, it’s not like the old British Empire, taking control of most of the world (unheeded ) and Brettonia is similar to France in that it is a country with regions, but the regions are more just to make defining areas/directions easier (or wines). The Empire is heavily wooded and Brettonia (to my knowledge) is less so and has bogs and swamps, lakes and rivers, predominantly strewn about.
Kera foehunter:
thanks !for explaing this to me guys !!
here you can eash have one of sojorn golden stars
* kera hand out sojourn stars*
psss don’t tell her i found the stash of stars
Hashut’s Blessing:
No worries. Hope it’s helped a lot. noms star
slev:
Willmark
As far as Bretonnians go their were presented quite differently in teh 1st edition of Warhammer Fantasy roleplay, something akin to 17th Century Musketeer France with a darker grittier fantasy element to it.Ahh, those where the days, before Nigel Stillman trasjhed the Brettonia/Lustria/Lizardmen/Slaan blackgrounds...
Thommy H
*sigh*
wallacer:
here you can eash have one of sojorn golden starsSweet. In your face, people without gold stars.
Kera foehunter
Kera foehunter:
shhhhhh!!! sojourn might find out !!!
she doesn’t know
gold star minus one
Willmark:
I don't know if he wrecked it per say, I like it better actually, but the loss of the Old Slann creation story was a grievous blow.As far as Bretonnians go their were presented quite differently in teh 1st edition of Warhammer Fantasy roleplay, something akin to 17th Century Musketeer France with a darker grittier fantasy element to it.Ahh, those where the days, before Nigel Stillman trasjhed the Brettonia/Lustria/Lizardmen/Slaan blackgrounds...
Willmark
*sigh*
slev
slev:
So many things where gutted though. What is now in the tunnels the old Lizardmen & Trogladytes used to inhabit? What of the Pigmys? How about the Floating Garden? How is the fountain of youth legend to be explained without the Amazon birthing elixir the Old Slaan gave them? Why do the new Lizardmen, replacing the Slaan, have no tech? Where did it all go?
In all, the old Lustria background was much cooler and a lot more unique. It was designed by Richard Haliwell, who also helped write the first three editions of WFB, the first edition of WFB, and who created & designed Space Hulk in the first place.
I don’t mind retconning into the spaces (Ogre Kingdoms for example), tweaking names (Starmetal becomming Gromil, Mythril becoming Ithilmar/Glavron) and such. I do not like the seemingly random revisions that ignore the established background (Brettonia, Lustria, Soland, Sylvania, Ghal-Maraz, Ravengard…).
Willmark:
So many things where gutted though. What is now in the tunnels the old Lizardmen & Trogladytes used to inhabit? What of the Pigmys? How about the Floating Garden? How is the fountain of youth legend to be explained without the Amazon birthing elixir the Old Slaan gave them? Why do the new Lizardmen, replacing the Slaan, have no tech? Where did it all go?I'm definitely with you on the Slann, the interesting thing is why the heck did they retro-con the Slann to their current wusafied state? The "Old Ones" stories aren't as cool.
slev
slev:
The thought it that the Old Slaan are the Old Ones, the name was changed to prevent confusion. Hmmmm.
Willmark:
The thought it that the Old Slaan are the Old Ones, the name was changed to prevent confusion. Hmmmm.Could be. I was thinking more but how they got rid of all of the cool creation stories from WFRP and how it tied in with 3rd edition Warhammer.
slev
Kinda of funny 2nd edition Warhammer fantasy roleplay is now the one that conforms to the Warhammer cannon.