All of these rumours are unconfirmed, please check the Confirmed Rumours for more proven information.
Hopefully as 2010 draws closer we will see more rumours of an impending CD army book.
I thought it would be a good idea for us to have a thread where all these rumours are gathered together in one place.
Hi guys, also new hereRumour #58
I’ve had my Tamurkhan since UK Games Day on the 26th September
Drazhoath The Ashen is amazing rules wise and the model is out of this world, I spent about 20 minutes talking to Steve Whitehead who did most of the sculpts for the Chaos Dwarf range.
Steve explained to me that when he was given the project of Drazhoath he was told they want a special charator on taurus and that was it. So Steve did most of the background to him to and put that across in the model. Drazhoath is very paranoid about turning into stone and has come up with an idea that will make him turn into stone alot slower. Hanging over Drazhoath Bale Taurus “Cinderbreath” is two cages with burnt Chaos Dwarves in them. What Drazhoath does it keep the dwarves in the cages until he is ready for battle then sets them a light and rides into battle with them burning alive. The demonic energy this produces is then caught in the dish that Drazhoath carries and he uses that to cast magic.
I really hope when you guys get your copy of Tamurkhan you are as happy with it as I am. I love the artwork that much I got the artists to sign some of the bits I love in mine like Rhys signed his drawing of the Chaos Siege Giant and I got Sam (Artist) and Steve (sculptor) to sign Drazhoaths page because I really do love it.
He also told me that Bull Centaurs will be out within the year (from september), the Drazhoath model will be out within 2 months of september (it has taken longer than the Taurus because he sculpted it in a material that doesnt cure and he dropped the 1st one, so had to start again). He also said that if Warhammer Forge was to do hobgoblins they would be the last thing in the Chaos Dwarf range and they don’t think they can justify Warhammer Forge prices for 4ppm models.
There is 2 Deamonsmith models and the Skullcracker which is the alternate version of the Iron Daemon still to come out.
Got a reply from Ghost21yes they will get a full list from fw not just a clanIf this is true then this is some of the best news in a long time
also ive heard that mainstream gw do want to do a plastic box… so wf or fw may do those last if gw dont
hopes that helps
I just had to phone WF about some defective parts with my CD order, and had a nice little chat about what’s planned. Obviously they can’t say too much , but I did find out a few interesting things.Rumour #56
1.There will be another war-machine and a few characters being released in June.
2. No models are currently planned for hobgoblins.That may change at a much later date.
3. One of the characters being released in June has got the biggest hat so far regarding the new releases.
4. 2 Taurus’s will be released later this year, 1 will be mounted and the other will not be.
5. Sales so far are looking very good, some of the team were a bit sceptical about how popular CD would be, but initial sales are better than expected.
6. They plan to support CD over the long term, like they do with the DKOK and Elisians, so expect new releases right through to next year at the very least.
fluffly stuff via warseer
Hi everybody!Rumour #55
I went to the french GD!
And there are many things to share with you!
I have forgot my camera (damn!!!), but a friend take some pics that I will share as soon as possible.
1) Miniatures : no more minis than what we can see in other GD, so that I didn’t take any pics. Some were lacking, such as the great taurus…
But CD minis are unbelievable : cute, great level of detail.
One of my favourite is the dreadquake!
CD crew are beauty, and the ogre slave is great!
2) I talked with FW people. They couldn’t tell me much but what I got :
To the question of big hat : the taller, the better you are in the CD society.
To the question of hobgoblins : surprise.
To the other ; nothing.
But they said that we shoudn’t wait all the entries in the list. So, I assume that they will make monsters and war machines (they have already done them), but if I should bid on something, I will say that no CD core units…
The CD book was there!
Yes I saw it! Not the complete throne book of tamurkhan, but I got in my hands the pdf of the CD list and fluff which will feature into it!
I was so happy:)
I take some pics, but I couldn’t have all the pages of course… But many of them…
I think that it takes 30 to 40 pages (recto). So, I assume that there won’t be a separate CD book:( But, hey, still a CD list in the Tamurkhan book!
3) Fluff : as I wanted to concentrate on the list (to play the list as soon as possible), I didn’t take time to read all the fluff, and I didn’t take any pic of the fluff part.
But, of what I read, the fluff looks like very nearly to the old one, in the old 4th edition CD book. I found the same phrases.
There was included a topic on black orcs and the revolt, and how they were fired of the CD kingdom (maybe it was written to explain why there is no more orc and BO entry in the list)
Artwork are really good, very dark style, and as technology on the characters as they can draw.
4) The list : I love the fluffy rules they give to the army!
I have many pics to share with you! (soon)
The CD list is rather good. Many things look pretty optimized (as I’m a tournament player).
The list presents only one special character, and it is not Azgor. Maybe the list lacks entry???
He is riding a better great taurus (W5), for a cost of 500 pts.
The only lord entry is sorcerer lord.
265 pts. Sorcerer lord are level 3 sorcerer AND daemonsmith.
Lore of Hashut (yes we have!), lore of fire, metal and death. No more shadow.
Daemonsmith rule : within 3 inches of warmachine, gain look out sir rule, and relance artillery or scattery dice for one warmachine.
CD need daemonsmith as some misfire are pretty strong…
You need daemonsmith in order to get some entry (kdiii, warmachines, etc…)
Fluffy rule : if miscast, another fact : 1Wound lost (without save) but gain +1T as they become to change to stone! One time for the +1 T (but not for the -1W)…
Can ride lamassu and great taurus.
Great taurus : same as before with new rule.
Lamassu : they say to refer to “storm of magic” book!
All CD characters come with the black armour for free!
Daemonsmith : 95 pts
level 1, fire, metal and death
Daemonsmith have an enchanted blade, they throw on the chart in order to know what is the gain (such as eternal hattred, reroll, etc…)
CD hero : 105 pts
T5 and LD 9 now
Come with the GREAT rule : Stubborn!
Hobgoblin khan : 40 pts
BC hero : I will describe them in BC units. Do not look at the older version any more!
Core units :
CD core units :
Same as before, can have great weapon, shield or blunderbusses.
Blunderbusses : as described on warseer : range 12, S3 piercing.
1d3 multiple shots (roll one time for the unit).
If 10 blunder : no more long range and stand and shoot reaction penality
If 20 or more : reroll to wound
Hobgoblins : 4 pts
Come with light armour and throwing knives
Animosity : great change, very fluffy. No test if CD or BC within 6.
1 : panic test (coward!) If succeed, act as normal.
2-5 : act as normal
6 : bloody murderers! 1D3 wounds, then get reroll to hit.
Backstabber rule : very fluffy too! : if restrain to pursue, fleeing unit suffer 1D6 S3 hits for each 10 hobgoblins
Special units :
No more BO, orcs or goblins
No more sneaky gits
No more bolt thrower
Infernal guard : Changes!
WS5, stubborn now!
13 pts, +1 pt for shield
Fireglaves can have shields
Wolf riders : mongol look
7 pts (??? Should be an error!)
unit size 5+.
Fluffy rules : if they charge from rear or flanck, +1 to combat resolution. If charged, -1 to hit roll.
BC unit : monstruous beasts
Have scaly skin rule (5+). Have heavy armour.
Can have shield (5 pts), great weapon (10 pts), or spears (5 pts)
Characters are the same : hero : S5T5W3A4. Cause fear, may have black armour (but not BC units)
New unit : Kdiiiiiiii
Fear, flamming attack
Ward save 4+, 2+ ward save against flamming attacks
One rule say that every model in base to base (but not other Kdiii) suffer 1S4 hit, flamming
Another rule is very fluffy : CD sorcerer summon these creatures. With time, they lost power on them.
At the beginning of the 2dn turn, and for each turn, toughness test. If failed, 1D3 wound without save.
Magma cannon : 145 pts
flamme thrower, range 24.
S5, 1D3 wound
Rocketteer : 100 pts
Our old death rocket.
Stone thrower, S3 flamming, S8 1D6 wounds
Rare units :
Iron daemon : changes :
S8T8W8 on the list. S8T6W6 on the fluffy part.
Every warmachines can have hellbound amelioration :
hellbound : magical, cause fear, +1T and +1W. But is misfire, additionnal 1D3 wound (no save)
Chaos giant siege
Dreadquake : 155 pts
our new earthshaker!
Got an ogre slave. Can have another one for 20 pts (so we can reach 9 wounds!)
S5 template, S10 1D6 wounds.
Quake wave : dangerous test for the unit if they want to move or fire. No march move, no charge.
Slow to fire : if the ogre slave is slain, 3+ to fire.
-1 on misfire chart
My feeling : good value unit!
Finally, our NEW MONSTER : Kdii Monster
Contrary to what we thought, the artwork that shown a taurus in fusion is the Kdii! Looks like a golem bull!
Flamming attack, terror, large target
Ward save 4+, 2+ ward save against flamming attacks
Same rules as Kdii
Hashut lore : soon but I found only two spells not as usefull as the others.
Lore attribute : +1D3 casting against Flammable…
Signature spell : range 12 : get hatred rule. Boost version : all unit in 12
Sixth spell : Flames of Azgorh are back!!! And yes they are!
Small template, scatter 1D6. S6, 1D6 wound.
+ under the center : Toughness test -2 or slain (no save).
25+ : boost version : great template
9 Magics items. Rather good but as in the TK book.
That’s all folks!
My feeling : I fear that we won’t have our own CD book (to costly). But the CD list is good.
Miniatures are great, cute, well designed and great amount of details.
The CD list is rather good, and very fluffy!
Ravening Hordes list isn’t gone, as the two lists are very differents way to play!
We shouldn’t wait FW to make all the range, so, everybody here, that have allways loved to be free to have their own vision of their mini, still have this possibility!
To Thommy H : this is a reason why CDO won’t die!
Feel free to ask any question you want, I tried to remind all the information I can (1h left on the stand, in several times…)
I can confirm that WF will be making a Lamassu.Rumour #54
a tiny bit of infoRumour #53
the list in the turkmanian book for cd will be based around the black fortess
there WILL however be a normal CD list coming out with a WF book SOON afterwards!
ghost21, via warseer
After spending a little bit of time with the book on sunday even though the fluff section is being fiddled with the rules they said they where more upto date. The chaos dwarfs have there own army list including magic items and there own lore of magic. bull centaurs are now monsters beasts which solves the infantry/cav issues. The hell cannon is in and also the siege giant shown at the open day. blunderbuss are only strength 3 AP but if the unit is above 10 they ignore the negatives for stand and shoot and moving and if the unit is 20+ they get to re roll to wound.Rumour #52
But everything is in the book for a fully playable army and I think the reason is to include it for games of 3k+ rather than simple allied rules take a sperate army to go with the first.
Hobgoblins and wolf riders in the book but they where not shore they would be making them could be just conversion parts for the plastic goblins.
hope all this helps.
Rumour #51Chaos Dwarfs do have them as a list that you can use them on there own, bull centaurs are monstrous beasts and hob goblins are in!
blunderbuss have extra rules for the size of the unit. a unit 10+ gets no modifiers for long range or stand and shoot a unit 20+ also gets to reroll to hit or wound (sorry cant remember which).
led 571Only strength 3 with armour piecing and can’t remember the range, they where saying it should be going to the printers in July.
led 571That reminds me, Alan Bligh the author of the new Tamurkhan book mentioned that the Chaos Dwarves would have a special character Great Taurus in addition to the standard one and that these would now be constructs powered by bound fire demons. He also said there would a monstrous infantry incarnation of these so giant flame filled suits of animated armour!source
Valaraukar via Kroothawk
Tamurkhan is due out in July 2011. The Chaos Dwarfs were primairliy designed to be used as a contingent to add to the Warrior’s of Chaos army, however the book contains a FULL playable Chaos Dwarf Army List with many options and upgrades.
The new Chaos Dwarf infantry (Infernal Guard) are Chaos Dwarf Slaves that are forced to wear the full suit of armour and full face helmet before being unleashed on the Chaos Dwarfs enemies. The champion has no full face helmet which is a reward from his captors.
Most of the warmachines had two pages of rules/background/stats etc some of this stuff is going to be complicated to use. The Warsmiths also had a huge amount of original rules and exciting options.
Warmachines can be connected to form a seige train, however it costs a ton of points and won’t be used unless you are playing 'ard boy lists (3000+pts).
Time of Madness
A bit of a long post, written on warseer and copied/pasted (when I say ‘here’ I mean on warseer)
I thought you may all appreciate this summary. I went to the Scale Model World event today and spoke to Mark Bedford and Ead (the IT/newsletter guy). As they will undoubtedly read this at some point (see later for how I know), I�?Td like to thank you guys for taking the time to answer my many questions.
As nothing was said that I feel should be kept private, I�?Tll just note it all down.
I asked him first about the Steam Train, what the idea was behind it all. As many people know their idea is that the CD will be travelling to war in armoured convoys. So that�?Ts the idea behind it. From a rules point of view the idea is that the front part of the steam train is the CD equivalent of an empire steam tank (presumably with �?~open top�?T rules) and is supposed to be detached from the back part before the battle. The wagon that we�?Tve seen, the siege bombard, and any others they make will have their own steam engine on them, so they are capable of some locomotion.
The second hero type CD model is an engineer, over on CDO there has been some discussion if it is a combat hero or an engineer (as it didn�?Tt have a label right next to it).
As it is relevant to most of what follows I�?Tll put this bit here. I asked him about future plans for the Chaos Dwarfs and it seems that they are in discussions right now (well, a meeting next week) about how best to go forwards with them.
From what I gather they have lots and lots of plans for things they can do, but any future support will be directly determined by how popular the other CD models are. The people higher up want to make a decision based on sales data. So the more people buy the higher the chances of them making a stand alone list. Mark basically said that. If the sales figures of the things we�?Tve seen are good they will green light the whole project so that the Chaos Dwarfs become the Warhammer Forge equivalent of the Death Korps of Krieg.
I asked him about the bull concept art, and it seems there is an intention to rework the idea to make it more metal than burning flesh with lava. Mark was saying it looked too much like a Balrog, which I don�?Tt think is a bad thing at all! :D They would want to make it ridden. I wasn�?Tt too sure if there was a definite plan to actually make this into a model or not, presumably it�?Ts to do with the CD project being given the ok.
Same with hobgoblins, something Mark Bedford is very keen to do.
Bull Centaurs from what I gather are going to happen anyway, they are going to be ogre sized models.
I asked him about them doing basic troops, he said that their remit does not currently allow them to make stand alone infantry, like chaos dwarf warriors. He did however (with a cheeky grin and a twinkle in his eye) say that IF they were to have the warriors mounted on a war machine, and people could buy the warriors separately in order to go on it, that it would be a possible way forwards. He mentioned again the Blunderbussers wagon, so imo that one is going to happen.
Something we chatted about for a little bit was the daemonic stuff. How the last thing we�?Tve seen from GW for them is the Hellcannon, which is obviously nothing to do with steam power. It seems they have thought about this as well, infact he may bring it up at the meeting next week�?�
The way Mark described this I think they are definitely moving towards a combined range of models that has both steam and daemon powered models (i.e. some steam, some daemonic). We discussed how this would be done in the fluff, and he said they may look at a daemonic energy cult (not his exact words) as a way of working it in. I am fairly certain we will see some exclusively daemon powered models at some point.
I asked him about when the WF book was to be set, whether it is before or after what we consider to be the present (i.e. after SoC or not). What I took from his answer is that it is set in the present, as in the nurgle hordes are right now marching in at the start of the book. He said that the fans would always pick apart where certain characters are in the timeline, whether it�?Ts before or after SoC etc. So from what I gather they have gone with the easier option of starting it today, as in a direct follow on after the 8th ed rulebook. The interesting thing is that from their point of view this is the official continuation of the timeline, it is not an alternate future. Mark was very clear about that. Presumably they are leaving it up to the fans to take it or leave it, which is exactly how it should be I think.
He said that where they go after the first book (or 2 books, he wasn�?Tt clear) is up to them, it may change now that Rick has gone. So I wouldn�?Tt consider anything written in stone yet.
I asked him about their plans for Dwarfs (as someone on warseer asked me to) and it seems they have no immediate plans, other than that they are planning to provide the most support to the highest selling warhammer armies, of which Dwarfs are 5th apparently. I guess that says a lot about their plans, he did say that Skaven are seeing a bit of a blip in sales at the moment, but I take it from what he said that they are not a high seller possibly(?)
I asked about how they are looking to do the nurgle models, what they are currently looking at is keeping the back half of the warrior cloaks and replacing the rest with an upgrade set. A tentacle arm was mentioned. For the knights I think it could be everything but the shield arm gets replaced. I didn�?Tt actually ask about the horse for some reason. Maybe the horse head?
The empire upgrade sets are being improved, as has previously been said.
I asked Mark about when they plan to start rolling this stuff out. They are
…One minor contradiction to what others are saying when I asked at the Warhammer Forge stand I was told by Mark Bedford that the Chaos Dwarves would be in the book both as additions to the Chaos army and as a stand alone list.Rumour #48
Make of that what you will but that’s what the guy said.
"From: Tony Reidy
I have done a full summary of everything I’m aware of (credit to all those who posted).
Rumoured that some models will be out by Christmas (2010), Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos out Feb/March/April time
The launch was originally intended for 2012 but the company want to start seeing a return on the investment in design so they will likely launch in early 2011 with 6-8 pieces and then a second wave to follow shortly after.
The production cycle is around 3 months and starting in November so around February release, Paul Rudge said that the books are being produced through Forgeworld and that there was one more IA book to come then this then another IA book then a slot which was undecided which could be the second of these.
Models intended for release (as far as I know)
Theodor Bruckner on Demigriffon (and on foot) the emperors new champion
Marienburg Land Ship
Tamur Khan a nurgle ogre ( possibly a human) riding the toad dragon.
Chaos Dwarf Siege Bombard (will have a chained ogre to load it with a couple of CD ‘motivators’)
Chaos Dwarf Skullcracker
Chaos Dwarf Magma cannon
Chaos Dwarf Demolition rocket
Chaos Dwarf Steam Engine
Chaos Dwarf Engineer (possibly also the second one)
Nurgle WoC Command
Plague Toad rider
Models showcased but unlikely to be released
Empire upgrade sprues on display won�?Tt be produced (the fits weren’t tight enough) but they will likely re-work them and then release.
Nurgle champion unlikely to be released
Third Nurgle Ogre
Third Nurgle Troll.
Various riders for Carmine Dragon (Empire mentioned)
A mammoth with ogres on it
Plastic monsters for next year!
Possible Vermin Lord
One of the land train carriages will be a platform for a regiment of CD blunderbussers and that they will be released separately followed later on by command models.
More Plague Toad riders
Chaos Dwarfs with Great Weapons (possibly also with halberds??)
Hobgoblins on foot and on wolves
Lord on Great Taurus
Warrior Priests of Taal
Warrior Priests of Morr
Warrior Priest on a Griffon
A boat-like flying ship, with wing-oars.
Possible add-ons to the Doomwheel or Screaming Bell sets
Most of the Chaos Dwarf stuff will be split between books 1-2 as the models have either just been started or are still in the concept phase.
Rick confirmed they were not planning to release CD as a complete army.
The artillery train was described as akin to the warhammer equivalent of a nuke which would fire up over the walls into the centre of the city and level it!
Info on Warhammer Forge
They can’t start making FW versions of regular infantry units as that treads on the studios toes, so they intend to do upgrade kits to get around this.
Things like Kislev, CD and hobgoblins would be treated as allied forces, not stand alone armies.
Dogs of War may get some treatment, but only in the form of Regiment of Renown unit/command upgrades for warhammer army book units.
Similar format to the imperial armour books; story line, characters, army lists, special rules and figures to go with.
The books will NOT contain photographs of the models, they will only be artwork. The idea is that the Warhammer Forge books will be of the “era” and be illustrated manuscripts. I guess it also allows them to release models for them years later, as they only have artwork as the placeholder.
The Warhammer Forge books will be linked and span several volumes detailing an expansion of Chaos. This is not written as an unbroken narrative but rather as a selection of scenes or encounters, parts of the story which give the background for the battles.
It will be spread over more than 40 chapters and follows the fortunes of the key characters.
The first book follows the fortunes of Tamur Khan for a bit then leaves him hanging whilst following the fortunes of one of his lieutenants for example or spotlighting events elsewhere in the warhammer world which have a bearing on the tale, before returning to the main characters again. All sumptuously illustrated with fine artworks and wonderful maps showing the routes followed by the main protagonists so we can place the events in the warhammer world as the story unfolds.
Rick has actually scaled out the WFB map in his own way to plan out how long it would actually take an army to march etc.
Rick basically wants to muck around with the timeline and advance it in these books.
The first book features the expansion of Nurgle into the West; Nurgle WoC, Chaos Dwarfs, Ogre Kingdoms and Empire.
The second book concludes the Nurgle expansion, and has some Dwarf models
Second expansion is Tzeentch into the south, fighting the Lizardmen (presumably O&G as well).
Third expansion is Slaanesh into the East, fighting �?~elves�?T (presumably High Elves and Dark Elves).
Forth expansion is Khorne into the North.
Note that there will probably be 2 books per chaos god, and there may not always be a book with chaos in, if there is something significant happening somewhere else in the world that has some bearing on the overall story.
Book 1 Tamurkhan - The Throne of Chaos
Planned and written by Rick Priestley.
Lots of bespoke Adrian Smith artwork will feature in the first book.
Harry thinks the first book gets as far as the sacking Altdorf.
The first book either starts or ends with the emperor presumed dead along with all or most of the counts. Esme Stoutheart the Halfling becomes the emperor, this lasts for a short while. The new emperor�?Ts son was kidnapped by orcs and sold to chaos slavers, he’s a dark sorcerer.
The books may start at a later time, many years from the current time, when the Empire truly is in ruins, a corpse waiting to be eate