Kera foehunter:
I find it funny that this is the only army/ list…That has such a wide group of figures. bough or made
And no two people will agree on this army / list there always trying to improve it .
But !! Tall hat still rule
Insidious:
While I would love to be able to convert up a whole army let alone what models aren’t actually supported by GW or FW I just don’t have the time and for me, have to buy multiple kits, hobby supplies, and not to mention the time that goes into getting good at converting let alone doing all the conversions required to build a custom army / unit it is just way more efficient for me to buy the models already designed / produced lol…
While I don’t think they intentionally leaves games in the lines for creativity, it just bothers me that they put something in a book, codex or what have you and basically say NOPE never going to see that, hope you have time, skill and money to make your own if you want to use this unit.
Thommy H:
Well, it’s a bit different with Forge World stuff and, to be honest, the Legion of Azgorh list has a bit of an odd history. To summarise:
Originally, Tamurkhan was going to be one of four books detailing an apocalyptic invasion of The Empire by four great Champions of Chaos. Tamurkhan was the first, and the rest would have be the other sons of Kurgan, each devoted to a different Chaos God. The original plot would have seen Tamurkhan invading the Plain of Zharr itself en route and recruiting the Chaos Dwarfs into his armies. To that end, a couple of units - mainly the Iron Daemon - would have been featured in the book as options for Chaos players, with the intention being to add more Chaos Dwarf units in later books, until there would eventually be a fully playable army.
But, two things changed: first, the project was scaled back to just one book, and second, FW realised there was a bigger demand for Chaos Dwarfs than they thought. So the plans changed, and the Chaos Dwarfs became a bigger part of the book. But, knowing that GW might want to do their own Chaos Dwarfs one day, they left the door open by making them from the “Legion of Azgorh”, and calling them a special variant. Because there was a big Chaos Dwarf fanbase already (i.e. us), a fully playable list was felt to be a necessity. They already had a few units with models (which would presumably have just been unit options for Warriors of Chaos originally) so they bulked out the rest of the list with new rules for the old Chaos Dwarf models - everything from the 4th/5th Edition army and the 6th Edition Ravening Hordes list (except the O&G elements) has an equivalent in the LoA.
So Wolf Raiders are only in the list because we already have Wolf Rider models! They were actually put there for all of us existing Chaos Dwarf players who want to keep their armies intact. It’s a bit bizarre, I appreciate, but it’s why they may not make models for them. It all goes back to the long history of self-sufficiency in the Chaos Dwarf community that I was talking about.
Grimstonefire:
If they didn’t put in the hobgoblins because they were not planning on releasing models… You wouldn’t now have the option of including them??
Considering I think FW said at the open day that they don’t plan on revisiting armies (presumably in the 40k sense, but also WH to a certain extent) until all armies have been ‘done’, it’s a shame Tamurkhan turned out as it did. There are several options they could have put in the list that (like hobgoblins) would have left the door open for hobbyists. Alas no.
Whilst we may be a small fanbase of potential customers for FW, the fact that we have our own list and (at the moment) the largest range still gives me hope this will not be it after the k’daai/BC/destroyers. Until they release another stand alone army I still believe they will make CD an army that doesn’t go more than year without a release of some kind. Because of the money spent on the range they will want to make it seem ‘supported’ so it doesn’t just drop off the radar over the years.
Which will, in time, require another book to compile all the experimental rules they release in between.
Thommy H:
If they didn't put in the hobgoblins because they were not planning on releasing models... You wouldn't now have the option of including them??What? I can't follow that sentence at all.
Grimstonefire:
If they had not put hobgoblins into the list you would have no option to include them.
The fact that there are no models is less important in a way than the simple fact that they are in the list at all.
That’s what I was getting at.
Thommy H:
Right, sure. It makes no odds to me - I already have a unit of Wolf Riders and I don’t use the Tamurkhan rules anyway - I was just giving Insidious a bit of background information since he’s so new to Chaos Dwarfs.
Marduk:
Thanks for the background information!
In fact, I would like to see someone tell the whole history of the Chaos Dwarfs through the different editions. It would be useful for all the new Chaos Dwarf players who have recently joined. Is there a thread somewhere?
Insidious:
Right, sure. It makes no odds to me - I already have a unit of Wolf Riders and I don't use the Tamurkhan rules anyway - I was just giving Insidious a bit of background information since he's so new to Chaos Dwarfs.Right on, and I can appreciate this too. Being new though, and I can say this will be true for most new players, I started with the FW models and the Tamurkahn rules for CD. So it just feels awkward when they put units in the book and then pretty much say figure it out as far as fielding these units lol...
Thommy H
Bitterman:
It’s not like Hobgoblins are hard to get hold of though, is it.
If you don’t want to convert “proper” Hobgoblins… just use normal Goblins that are readily available from GW. I guarantee precisely zero people you ever play against will argue about it.
MLP:
If you don't want to convert "proper" Hobgoblins... just use normal Goblins that are readily available from GW. I guarantee precisely zero people you ever play against will argue about it.Exactly what I was about to say. Standard Goblins and Goblin Wolf Riders are cheap and look fine with Chaos Dwarfs even with no conversion work. They're what I use.
Bitterman
zhangyi:
Never made it to open day (I'm in Canada).so do they have a plan on the Taur'ruk model?
From what I have heard though, there is no indication hobgoblins will be done. We get Centaurs, fireborn and the destoyer. After those are done the FW fellows are moving on to other projects.
Time of Madness
Time of Madness
zhangyi:
so...what you mean is FW will keep an eye on the CD's army and may release some new units in the next few books later on?
Well, it's a bit different with Forge World stuff and, to be honest, the Legion of Azgorh list has a bit of an odd history. To summarise:
Originally, Tamurkhan was going to be one of four books detailing an apocalyptic invasion of The Empire by four great Champions of Chaos. Tamurkhan was the first, and the rest would have be the other sons of Kurgan, each devoted to a different Chaos God. The original plot would have seen Tamurkhan invading the Plain of Zharr itself en route and recruiting the Chaos Dwarfs into his armies. To that end, a couple of units - mainly the Iron Daemon - would have been featured in the book as options for Chaos players, with the intention being to add more Chaos Dwarf units in later books, until there would eventually be a fully playable army.
But, two things changed: first, the project was scaled back to just one book, and second, FW realised there was a bigger demand for Chaos Dwarfs than they thought. So the plans changed, and the Chaos Dwarfs became a bigger part of the book. But, knowing that GW might want to do their own Chaos Dwarfs one day, they left the door open by making them from the "Legion of Azgorh", and calling them a special variant. Because there was a big Chaos Dwarf fanbase already (i.e. us), a fully playable list was felt to be a necessity. They already had a few units with models (which would presumably have just been unit options for Warriors of Chaos originally) so they bulked out the rest of the list with new rules for the old Chaos Dwarf models - everything from the 4th/5th Edition army and the 6th Edition Ravening Hordes list (except the O&G elements) has an equivalent in the LoA.
So Wolf Raiders are only in the list because we already have Wolf Rider models! They were actually put there for all of us existing Chaos Dwarf players who want to keep their armies intact. It's a bit bizarre, I appreciate, but it's why they may not make models for them. It all goes back to the long history of self-sufficiency in the Chaos Dwarf community that I was talking about.
Thommy H
Thommy H:
They might do, yeah. FW work to their own schedule and agenda. They’ll release what sells.
zhangyi:
They might do, yeah. FW work to their own schedule and agenda. They'll release what sells.seems CD are more popular than they think, uh?:D
Thommy H
Doombeard:
what does everybody think about clubbing together to commission a sculptor to make us our own hobgoblin parts for conversions? … i contacted a really good one over christmas to find out how much it would be to make a full range of command models and a few rank and file footsoldiers and i was quoted about 120 a model . we could all club together, find a sculptor we all agree on by voting or something, then commission him to make some greens and finally chip in together to get some casts . we could sell them on the website as the CDO official hobgoblins . i think its a wicked idea but will take a lot to organise and needs a lot of good team work between us all.
zhangyi:
Never made it to open day (I'm in Canada).so do they have a plan on the Taur'ruk model?
From what I have heard though, there is no indication hobgoblins will be done. We get Centaurs, fireborn and the destoyer. After those are done the FW fellows are moving on to other projects.
Time of Madness
Time of Madness
zhangyi:
so...what you mean is FW will keep an eye on the CD's army and may release some new units in the next few books later on?
Well, it's a bit different with Forge World stuff and, to be honest, the Legion of Azgorh list has a bit of an odd history. To summarise:
Originally, Tamurkhan was going to be one of four books detailing an apocalyptic invasion of The Empire by four great Champions of Chaos. Tamurkhan was the first, and the rest would have be the other sons of Kurgan, each devoted to a different Chaos God. The original plot would have seen Tamurkhan invading the Plain of Zharr itself en route and recruiting the Chaos Dwarfs into his armies. To that end, a couple of units - mainly the Iron Daemon - would have been featured in the book as options for Chaos players, with the intention being to add more Chaos Dwarf units in later books, until there would eventually be a fully playable army.
But, two things changed: first, the project was scaled back to just one book, and second, FW realised there was a bigger demand for Chaos Dwarfs than they thought. So the plans changed, and the Chaos Dwarfs became a bigger part of the book. But, knowing that GW might want to do their own Chaos Dwarfs one day, they left the door open by making them from the "Legion of Azgorh", and calling them a special variant. Because there was a big Chaos Dwarf fanbase already (i.e. us), a fully playable list was felt to be a necessity. They already had a few units with models (which would presumably have just been unit options for Warriors of Chaos originally) so they bulked out the rest of the list with new rules for the old Chaos Dwarf models - everything from the 4th/5th Edition army and the 6th Edition Ravening Hordes list (except the O&G elements) has an equivalent in the LoA.
So Wolf Raiders are only in the list because we already have Wolf Rider models! They were actually put there for all of us existing Chaos Dwarf players who want to keep their armies intact. It's a bit bizarre, I appreciate, but it's why they may not make models for them. It all goes back to the long history of self-sufficiency in the Chaos Dwarf community that I was talking about.
Thommy H
Thommy H:
They might do, yeah. FW work to their own schedule and agenda. They’ll release what sells.
zhangyi:
They might do, yeah. FW work to their own schedule and agenda. They'll release what sells.seems CD are more popular than they think, uh?:D
Thommy H