[Archive] Did you know...?

Grimstonefire:

So I’ve been thinking today there’s probably thousands of pages of fluff written about many armies/games that we don’t ever talk about but people might find interesting discussing from time to time just to learn something new.

I’m sure I’m not the only one who loves the depth of background for warhammer and 40k.  Not so much LoTR.  But warmachine for example I know practically nothing about their fluff.

Hence the title 'did you know’

So I’m going to get the ball rolling on what I hope will be a long and rich thread full of discussion about all sorts of random fluff things people find interesting and want to chat about (whatever the army).

People can talk about the fluff behind a famous sword, or an eldar seer council or anything. Just as long as it’s not their own fluff they’ve made up. :wink:

Did you know that after the Horus Heresy, during the time called the Legion Wars, the Sons of Horus were hunted by every chaos legion with extreme hatred?  I didn’t know that until today.  I thought for some reason they had emerged the strongest immediately afterwards.

Dînadan:

Did you know that after the Horus Heresy, during the time called the Legion Wars, the Sons of Horus were hunted by every chaos legion with extreme hatred?  I didn't know that until today.  I thought for some reason they had emerged the strongest immediately afterwards.

Grimstonefire
Huh, didn't know that, but I suppose it makes sense - it'd be natural for the Vhaos Legions to resent the Sons of Horus for being the Legion that lead them in a rebellion that failed and which ruined/beggared them (except for the Word Bearers who'd resent them for blowing Chaos's big chance at victory). It'd also add an extra layer to Abadon's post-Heresy hatred of Horus - Horus lead them to rebel, failed and in addition to their ruination from the Heresy, they then get turned on by their allies, no wonder he renamed the Legion and destroyed Horus's corpse when Fabius Bile tried to clone him.

I suppose that adds some badassness to Abadon that he was able to turn things around and make the Black Legion a top dog again.

Okay, my go I guess: did you know that in Star Wars terms, the smallest warships employed by the Imperium (escorts, frigates, etc) would be classed as Star Destroyers, Mid-sized ships (eg light cruisers and some of the smaller cruisers) would be classed as Battlecruisers and cruisers and above fall into the Dreadnought category? Of course, to quote Yoda "Size matters not.", so this shouldn't be taken as an indicator in who'd win in a hypothetical versus match-up between two fleets.

Grimstonefire:

Has anyone ever played a game of battlefleet gothic V Galactic Empire I wonder? Can you buy star wars ships in that scale (whatever that is)?

Dînadan:

Has anyone ever played a game of battlefleet gothic V Galactic Empire I wonder?  Can you buy star wars ships in that scale (whatever that is)?

Grimstonefire
No idea, but fairly sure it'd be hard to get accurate as even though Wookiepedia has exact numbers for the various turrets, batteries, etc on some ships (if not all ships) Lexicanuum doesn't have exact numbers for what constitutes a weapons battery for an Imperium ship (or ships from the other factions), let alone comparisons between, say, a lance battery and a turbolaser. Add on top the problems with points costing Galactic Empire ships and my gut feeling is it's never been done.

As for scale, not sure there are any Star Wars minis in the same scale as BFG (although considering BFG minis are really just for show and are out of scale anyways (BFG rulebook specifically says that in scale minis would be smaller than the flight stands) that might not be that important). Think the Star Destroyers from the old Micro Machines line might be about the right size, but not 100% sure! and even if they are the other ships would be the wrong size, plus think they only have ships from the films, so you wouldn't be able to field the full navy anyway. :/

Dînadan:

As an addendum to this discussion, did you know that despite being roughly the same length, an Imperium Cobra-class destroyer has over three times as many crew as a Galactic Empire Imperial-class Star Destroyer.

Grimstonefire:

That’s strange, does the rulebook break down a typical amount of boarding marines/troops against the crew? From end of Attack of the Clones there’s what, 300 maybe boarding a star destroyer I think?

Dînadan:

Not sure as I don’t have the BFG rulebook, just going off Lexicanuum and Wookiepedia.  Wookiepedia gives the Imperial class a crew compliment of 37,000 and stormtrooper/pilot compliment of 9,700 while Lexicanuum gives the Cobra a crew compliment of 15k with no breakdown; although considering the Cobra isn’t designed to board other ships or land troops on another planet, I can’t imagine there being an overly large compliment of troops/Armsmen on board.

double checks webpages

facepalms at own failure

Bugger, misread those figures - should be the Star Destroyer has three times the crew as the Cobra; somehow read the SD crew as ~5k when it’s actually just shy of 50k.  That’ll teach me to check facts late at night :frowning:

Still, point stands (albeit with the two ships flipped) as an interesting titbit that two similar sized vessels have such a gulf in crew size; even more now considering the Star Destroyer probably has more/better automation than the Cobra.