Zorgoth:
Does anyone here actually use the Bull Centaur Lord? I just converted my mini out of the BFSP Thane and a new empire warhorse and wanted to know if he’s really worth his points. I run his as my regular Lord, with the AOTF, BHOH, and shield as this my preferably combo.
Xander:
I tend to use CD Heroes as my generals. So a Bull Centaur Lord is not out of the question. 
Ellimist:
Well in terms of stats, killing power and manouverability he’s a better choice. The reason I never run one is that he’d get far ahead of the army, losing the 12" leadership area (which is useful when running hobgobs). This could be overcome by taking a hero as your general as well though.
The Raven:
Well in terms of stats, killing power and manouverability he's a better choice. The reason I never run one is that he'd get far ahead of the army, losing the 12" leadership area (which is useful when running hobgobs). This could be overcome by taking a hero as your general as well though.Tel you what, the hero MUST be the general if both the BC Lord and a chaos dwarf hero are present, the hero has the highest Leadership. As you said, BC lords have amazing killing power and are defenitly worth the points.
Ellimist
Ellimist:
No time to check, but yes I believe you’re right. Lesson for the day: Read the BRB before posting!
metro_gnome:
well he doesnt have to be the general… he could be the BSB
BC lords are the number 1 killy lord choice… hes 0-1 for a reason…
he also has the highest initative in the army so giving him the hammer can truely make it shine…
that and hes now hitting at S7… chariot busta…
Zorgoth:
Exactly… SO I did good for once! Pass round the whips and beat the slaves!
Father Grumpmas:
I ran a list with both a BC Lord and Hero. A sorcerer was my general (all Ld 9 so I could choose) and I had a CD BSB. The lord was in a big unit of bull centaurs, the hero was in a smaller flanking unit. They seemed to work together quite well.
The Lord had the Black Hammer and the Hero had a GW and the Gauntlets - under 6th edition both were Str7 and could be run solo as chariot killers.
The Lord was very effective - I had him with the armour of the Furnance and an enchanted sheild (now illegal in 7th ed) so he was 5 Str 7 attacks with 2+ armour save and 5+ ward.
Now that Bull Centaurs are “mounted” (if you follow the rule book), the armour of the furnance and a normal sheild will get you to 2+.
Never got to beat on a Treeman or Tomb King with the flaming hammer though …
cornixt:
They aren’t mounted, they are cavalry Big difference (for some reason) so they don’t get the extra mounted save.
metro_gnome:
they are “mounted”… being “cavalry” makes them “mounted”…
the extra save is a specific exception which is not relevant to being mounted or not…
Zorgoth:
So wait, yer confusing me… Do the BC get the 1+ extra save because they’re cavalry for saves, but stilll count as infantry for shield/wep, weapon combos? Now I’m just babbling! :s
The Flying Beaver:
I use the same rules for centigors (as described in the Beasts of Chaos army book) with my Bull centaurs. It makes the most sense to me.
Lord Zarkov:
So wait, yer confusing me... Do the BC get the 1+ extra save because they're cavalry for saves, but stilll count as infantry for shield/wep, weapon combos? Now I'm just babbling! :sOfficially they get neither
Zorgoth
cornixt:
I thought I had this all worked out, and I can’t even check the rulebook since it is in a box somewhere on the other side of the state. Cavalry means you can’t use weapons as infantry, mounted means you get the extra save for being two models. Most cavalry are mounted, but not all (Dire Wolves, Centigors, Chaos Hounds, etc) Is that not right?
metro_gnome:
no thats not right…
“Mounted” is a weapon rule only… all cavalry are mounted according to the weapon rules on page 55…
cavalry “consisting of a single creature” are exempt from the +1AS for the “Armour save if Cavalry” rule on page 30…
the explanation seperating cavalry that the rule on page 30 does not apply to is noticably absent from the rule on page 55…
so there are 3 ways to go:
BCs are cavalry (BRB ) - mounted weapon rules, no +1AS for being cavlary due to "consisting of a single creature"
BCs are infantry (USGT) - Infantry weapon rules, +1AS for using HW/shield, no cav save due to not being cav…
BCs are centigors (BoC) - Infantry rules for HW, mounted rules for other weapon types,+1AS for using HW/shield,
no +1AS for being cavalry due to “consisting of a single creature”…
the first is supported by the rules…
the second is supported by fluff…
but as a house rule i am in favor of the third…
oboudd:
I use a BC lord as a chariot buster,for obveous reasons.
marine281:
I love Centaur Lords. They rule. They make a good unit like Bulls even more insane.