Willmark:
Yep most big hats models are still available from the various GW sites. Not all however.
ashghar:
ops i forgot: any single miniatures cost 4 euros plus postal costs
Pyro Stick:
Army Book. �30 buy it now or best offer.
http://tinyurl.com/2r2ess
Doombeard:
you can get it for around 15-20 usually so id advise that one is a little overpriced
Pyro Stick:
you can get it for around 15-20 usually so id advise that one is a little overpricedAnd thats why you use the Best Offer part instead of the Buy It Now part
iamahobgoblin
Hammerhand:
I've had to re-list my stuff because of a none paying, none emailing, none responding to dispute console, waste-3-weeks-of-my-life-on-this-stupid-bloody-dispute-console b*st*rd!!!��As before, CDO members can have free postage in the uk or half price o/seas postage if they PM me after winning.These are finishing tonight guys, jump in and take advantage of the free/half price postage!
CD HERO
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160184604236
CD BLUNDERBUSSES
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160184605247
Don't worry, I'm not deserting CDs, just Big Hats!!!
Hammerhand
Pyro Stick:
DAMN! I missed the hero....I've had to re-list my stuff because of a none paying, none emailing, none responding to dispute console, waste-3-weeks-of-my-life-on-this-stupid-bloody-dispute-console b*st*rd!!! As before, CDO members can have free postage in the uk or half price o/seas postage if they PM me after winning.These are finishing tonight guys, jump in and take advantage of the free/half price postage!
CD HERO
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160184604236
CD BLUNDERBUSSES
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160184605247
Don't worry, I'm not deserting CDs, just Big Hats!!!
Hammerhand
Hammerhand
Oh well. It comes up quite often anyway....
Anyway, 1Meerkat2 has 2 marauder auctions and 5 cd autctions up right now. Blunderbuss, warriors and a command auction with a sorceror.
Willmark:
Good sized army up for grabs for all you “Big Hatters” out there!
http://tinyurl.com/2vucxa
rolljordan:
biklinictoo ia the only one who keeps his id private because his feedback is bad???? Dman you guys are sick.... Well sorry to inform you that they are not the same person. Biklinictoo and Warhammer Crazy are not the same person I can assure you :cheers.
biklinictoo runs the warhammer-crazy store selling cds at rip off pricess - he is essexgirls main competitor
iamahobgoblin
Biklinictoo is a respectable Citadel miniature collector also CCM member for years and had many successful trades with him, where Warhammer Crazy is another person who belongs to the same club that is also the actual HM club painter if I remember correctly.
I don't see anything wrong on what they do. Anyone ever heard of the offer and demand law? They are just trying to make a profit out of it. If you don't like their prices well don't buy from them.
Bidding on what they bid is not better of what they are doing in my own opinion, but well is the market. Guess they should start using sniper software for their bids to avoid people raising the price.
I'm sorry don't get me wrong not mad just surprised, and before anyone misinterpreters my words I will resume it in:
1) What they are doing is legitimate, maybe not fair for poor collectors but it is the market.
2) What you guys are doing is not wrong also, eBay allow you to do so, but is also not ethnically correct.
Hope you understood what I wanted to say as my English is not my primary language.
Cheers
Willmark:
Since you are new here I’ll recap for you:
rolljordan-
No one here has a problem with anyone making a profit on eBay. That is what capitalism is all about. However no one wants to live in a pure capitalistic state with no controls. Such a state would be as bad as pure communism.
While feelings may be hurt, people can generally live with the fact of being outbid on items. What really annoys and gets everyone here mad is this: buying something for $4.00 US and then turning it around and selling something for $70.00 US and attempting to pass it over as “OOP” (Out of Print- they’re not). Or “Rare and Hard to Find” (only because certain eBay buyers are artificially driving up prices). What Warhammer Crazy and Essexgirl and to a lesser extent what certain eBay bidders are indirectly supporting is price gouging and borderline price manipulation IMHO. Sure, prices are whatever the market will bear, but we are talking about an electronic world where physical items are sold, with no real price average. Rather wildly fluctuating items that sell at opposite ends of the spectrum. Thus real-world parallels are tough to draw. Again Its PRICE GOUGING!. There is no recourse with eBay and that is the truly maddening part. Probably why other alternatives to eBay are starting to pop out of the woodwork, almost daily it seems.
Supply and Demand are fine. But there is no taking account into inflation in these prices. Inflation on an item that cost $8.50 US in 1993 adjusts to $11-12.00; US 14 years later… In no way shape or form does that justify a x5 price increase for scarcity for some of these items. Are there some items that scare? Sure, but most 4th/5th edition Chaos Dwarfs aren’t.
Next: I’m confused by this:
2) What you guys are doing is not wrong also, eBay allow you to do so, but is also not ethnically correct.What are we doing that is illegal? Basically a lot of us have ABSOLUTELY HAD IT with by being screwed over on eBay buyers/sellers. So we are fighting back. We are watching every auction we can find and letting everyone here know so CD related items don’t fall into the hands of the same buyers who are screwing over anyone looking to actually use and buy CD related items. Illegal? No way shape or form. Whats happening is we have had enough and are fighting back. Including never buying from said buyers no matter what. You can inly push people so far before they start to take action.
rolljordan
Next Up, your premise of “only hurting poor eBay buyers” is a dubious one at best. I can afford said eBay prices easily. However, I’m not spending money on something that is not mildly overpriced, but RIDICULOUSLY OVERPRICED
Lastly, Games Workshop is starting to take matters into its own hands. GW can’t be to happy with the amount of trading going on, on eBay. Each has the potential of a unrealized sale of new models. thus they are moving to “Manufacture on demand” models. In theory this means they could produce any model in their catalog within a short period of time. Should that happen the very same people gouging on eBay could find the entire online market vanish due to GW making models as mentioned.
That being said, welcome to CDO.
Pyro Stick:
I was confused about that as well. Ive notice you buy a lot of chaos dwarf auctions, sometimes for a lot of money, so you probably dont understand how we feel about the vulturebay prices.
Next: I'm confused by this:2) What you guys are doing is not wrong also, eBay allow you to do so, but is also not ethnically correct.What are we doing that is illegal? Basically a lot of us have ABSOLUTELY HAD IT with by being screwed over on eBay buyers/sellers. So we are fighting back. We are watching every auction we can find and letting everyone here know so CD related items don't fall into the hands of the same buyers who are screwing over anyone looking to actually use and buy CD related items. Illegal? No way shape or form. Whats happening is we have had enough and are fighting back. Including never buying from said buyers no matter what. You can inly push people so far before they start to take action.
rolljordan
Willmark
http://tinyurl.com/2d4q7y This guy has 9 chaos dwarf auctions finishing within the next 24 hours. Some of them are overpriced unfortunately...
Canix:
We love the Ebay shops just dont buy from them.
Nothing wrong with what they do ,but we dont have to like it,Biklinic too actually dictates prices for CD 4/5th ed lots because he bids for them all and has a set minimum for each type of item.While not wrong that means he actually dictates the prices lots sell for.
This does not include large army lots as he doesnt bid on those?even tho thats the way to buy at a reasonable price:hat
rolljordan:
Ok here I am:
Canix: Remember Biklinc is just a collector and not there to make a profit. He is buying stuff to keep and not resale for profit. So he is paying what he believe is worth to obtain such pieces. Yes he might being inflating the market but is a consequence. My self as a collector will pay 50x the value of a piece to complete my collection (don’t ask more :)…) (Example the Kemmler Scenario pack, missed Kemmler him self looked for 5 years and not available, one day I got one offered for $500.00 well guess what bought it, after 2 months two showed up on eBay and went for $200 and $250.00 each. Remember collectors are not bad people)
Pyro: Yes I pay a lot if I need that piece for a collection I need to finish. See above answer to Canix.
Willmark: Yes I understand you also and your point of view. But that is how eBay works and is real even if intangible. But tell me, if you get offered or you find on eBay an auction of 300 Marauder CD in original blisters listed as Sweet Pony (totally wrong name just an example) and is going for $2.00, are you going to try to get it for $10.00 hoping no one will see you. Then get what you need and resale the rest at regular price making a big profit like 500% OR are you going to list the auction on this site? Essex and Wcrazy are looking to buy stuff cheap and make 300% out of it. Yes pisses a lot of people off but nothing wrong with it IMHO)
Also you talk about INFLATION? with collectors items this can not be done and is truly unrealistic. Instead of toy soldiers look at a Lamborghini or Viper (US version ;)…) from 1973 sold at $8000 then and tell the owner that with inflation now is worth $16000 and lets see what happens. When we all know that with collectors items this is not true. If I want to sell my Unreleased CD cannon as an example that was worth 15GBP at MO UK when produced 20+ years ago you will then offer me 25 or 30GBP? When we all know that the real value is about $300/$600.00 for it. Inflation can be used only for items widely available and very common to find. Rarity/Demand/Availability are the key words and there is no formula for it.
As for illegal well not illegal I expressed my self wrong, I don’t care of what you are doing to them. If you guys post auctions here is just fine and very nice for the other. But what it bothers me are words like don’t let Essex get it or similar. Is not nice, and what if they read this post?
Also looking at the way I value stuff I might become your next victim O____o if I decide I want to get 4 full units of 3rd Ed CD’s and rate them at 10GBP each. Or you are hurting a serious collector like Biklinko that is just trying to complete his collection like you guys are doing.
LAST: "Lastly, Games Workshop is starting to take matters into its own hands. GW can’t be to happy with the amount of trading going on, on eBay. Each has the potential of a unrealized sale of new models. thus they are moving to “Manufacture on demand” models. In theory this means they could produce any model in their catalog within a short period of time. Should that happen the very same people gouging on eBay could find the entire online market vanish due to GW making models as mentioned."
Sorry to tell you but GW really doesn’t care about it believe me 
for them doing so is unproductive. Manufacturing on demand was available from GW up to 7 years ago. You sent the code and they casted it. Looking at how GW is going in the future they will make available only time by time some selected models from the Archive. And believe me by 2008 all CD no matter what series will be OOP and will get harder to get.
Hope I was bale to explain what I meant with my words, and nothing against you guys or pro essexgirl or biklincko. I’m a neutral collector here and love Hashut and his little lead soldiers that is it.
Willmark:
Normally I abhor dissection of posts with counter posts point by point but the last post was so full of glaring omissions…
Willmark: Yes I understand you also and your point of view. But that is how eBay works and is real even if intangible. But tell me, if you get offered or you find on eBay an auction of 300 Marauder CD in original blisters listed as Sweet Pony (totally wrong name just an example) and is going for $2.00, are you going to try to get it for $10.00 hoping no one will see you. Then get what you need and resale the rest at regular price making a big profit like 500% OR are you going to list the auction on this site? Essex and Wcrazy are looking to buy stuff cheap and make 300% out of it. Yes pisses a lot of people off but nothing wrong with it IMHO)Actually your premise of minis mislabeled actually falls flat. That is precisely what I would do. If I bought by some miracle 300 minis as you described then I would offer them here first after I was done with what I want. Then after that put them back on eBay.
rolljordan
Also you talk about INFLATION? with collectors items this can not be done and is truly unrealistic. Instead of toy soldiers look at a Lamborghini or Viper (US version ;)…) from 1973 sold at $8000 then and tell the owner that with inflation now is worth $16000 and lets see what happens. When we all know that with collectors items this is not true. If I want to sell my Unreleased CD cannon as an example that was worth 15GBP at MO UK when produced 20+ years ago you will then offer me 25 or 30GBP? When we all know that the real value is about $300/$600.00 for it. Inflation can be used only for items widely available and very common to find. Rarity/Demand/Availability are the key words and there is no formula for it.Actually inflation gauges and indexes are immensely useful tools to gauge the relative purchasing power of a given currency at a given time. Not the sole arbiter thou… see below.
rolljordan
You seem to be getting hung up on the notion that inflation index is the sole arbiter of price (which I never implied), merely it’s a baseline starting point.
You analogy with cars is flawed from the start. You are talking about a car (lamborghini) that has 5-10 made a year. That’s is scarcity; that is rare. Its not the greates of examples wither since they are built to order. Chaos Dwarf models are not that rare, that’s the problem. If you used eBay as ones sole source of information it might seem otherwise. But millions of models were produced. Again collector’s items? Perhaps. Rare? If you only look at eBay they are.
Simply put exotic cars=rare, unreleased chaos cannons=rare, widely sold and distributed 4th/5th edition CD minis, not so much.
If I want to sell my Unreleased CD cannon as an example that was worth 15GBP at MO UK when produced 20+ years ago you will then offer me 25 or 30GBP? When we all know that the real value is about $300/$600.00 for it. Inflation can be used only for items widely available and very common to find. Rarity/Demand/Availability are the key words and there is no formula for it.Again, bad analogy. Your unreleased chaos cannon is something that truly is rare. Thus could conceivably justify high prices due to said rarity.
rolljordan
As for illegal well not illegal I expressed my self wrong, I don’t care of what you are doing to them. If you guys post auctions here is just fine and very nice for the other. But what it bothers me are words like don’t let Essex get it or similar. Is not nice, and what if they read this post? Also looking at the way I value stuff I might become your next victim O____o if I decide I want to get 4 full units of 3rd Ed CD’s and rate them at 10GBP each. Or you are hurting a serious collector like Biklinko that is just trying to complete his collection like you guys are doing.So if by using your logic that you see nothing wrong with what warhammer crazy is doing, I see nothing wrong with taking whatever means to stop them from getting minis at dirt-cheap prices. For reference, we didn’t start this whole mess. The debate is an exercise in futility as none of us here who actually want to use CD minis are going to see it otherwise quite frankly.
rolljordan
Essexgirl deserves everything that comes her way IMHO. No matter what “mental gymnastics” you use you are NEVER going to convince those who have been burnt by her, or her outrageous “pricing” otherwise.
I’m not concerned about biklinko or his collection. Means nothing to me other then if I really want something on “vultureBay” I have to take the fact that he has driven up prices in his bidding patterns and adjust mine accordingly
Sorry to tell you but GW really doesn’t care about it believe meAs far as GW mail order goes. Wow. You work for them? You know their intention. Their latest statement regarding said matter was either a) a figment of our collective imaginations or b) some bad beer we were all drinking last night with the Easter Bunny. In other words unless you work for GW either possibility is possible, but with neither being plausible.for them doing so is unproductive. Manufacturing on demand was available from GW up to 7 years ago. You sent the code and they casted it. Looking at how GW is going in the future they will make available only time by time some selected models from the Archive. And believe me by 2008 all CD no matter what series will be OOP and will get harder to get.
rolljordan
GW is a company, Companies make money. When a company’s sales keep delicling they ask why. After asking why they make changes to address said decrease in sales. If the cost is low enough to create models on demand I will not put it past GW to bring it back regardless of circumstances.
This is all just a waste of time anyways should GW release new CD minis for a new CD army…
Again, I understand your point, even if I disagree with them. Simply put however: Your logic is flawed from the start.
Canix:
Collectors sometimes we will pay ridiculous prices:rolleyes:,i have had members of this site snipe bid me but i can’t feel anything emotional about it the real world fullfills that roll well enough:hat
So i am never bothered because i also know i can take my time collecting as i have thousands of unpainted lead minis (like most of us loonies:D) so it not like i cant keep myself occupied:hat
Pyro Stick:
@rolljordan: If you want to continue this then i suggest taking it to pm’s because as far as i can see all that needs saying has been said and i agree with wilmark.
Now. Back to posting links to auctions if you dont mind.
rolljordan:
Ok Willmark never mind different opinions here. We will never agree :) and if we go on it might degenerate. Well I'm here to enjoy CD stuff and look at your collections and conversions. So back to path and lets forget about this discussion ok?
Normally I abhor dissection of posts with counter posts point by point but the last post was so full of glaring omissions...Willmark: Yes I understand you also and your point of view. But that is how eBay works and is real even if intangible. But tell me, if you get offered or you find on eBay an auction of 300 Marauder CD in original blisters listed as Sweet Pony (totally wrong name just an example) and is going for $2.00, are you going to try to get it for $10.00 hoping no one will see you. Then get what you need and resale the rest at regular price making a big profit like 500% OR are you going to list the auction on this site? Essex and Wcrazy are looking to buy stuff cheap and make 300% out of it. Yes pisses a lot of people off but nothing wrong with it IMHO)Actually your premise of minis mislabeled actually falls flat. That is precisely what I would do. If I bought by some m
rolljordan
iracle 300 minis as you described then I would offer them here first after I was done with what I want. Then after that put them back on eBay.Also you talk about INFLATION? with collectors items this can not be done and is truly unrealistic. Instead of toy soldiers look at a Lamborghini or Viper (US version ;)....) from 1973 sold at $8000 then and tell the owner that with inflation now is worth $16000 and lets see what happens. When we all know that with collectors items this is not true. If I want to sell my Unreleased CD cannon as an example that was worth 15GBP at MO UK when produced 20+ years ago you will then offer me 25 or 30GBP? When we all know that the real value is about $300/$600.00 for it. Inflation can be used only for items widely available and very common to find. Rarity/Demand/Availability are the key words and there is no formula for it.Actually inflation gauges and indexes are immensely useful tools to gauge the relative purchasing power of a given currency at a given time. Not the sole arbiter thou... see below.
rolljordan
You seem to be getting hung up on the notion that inflation index is the sole arbiter of price (which I never implied), merely it's a baseline starting point.
You analogy with cars is flawed from the start. You are talking about a car (lamborghini) that has 5-10 made a year. That's is scarcity; that is rare. Its not the greates of examples wither since they are built to order. Chaos Dwarf models are not that rare, that's the problem. If you used eBay as ones sole source of information it might seem otherwise. But millions of models were produced. Again collector's items? Perhaps. Rare? If you only look at eBay they are.
Simply put exotic cars=rare, unreleased chaos cannons=rare, widely sold and distributed 4th/5th edition CD minis, not so much.If I want to sell my Unreleased CD cannon as an example that was worth 15GBP at MO UK when produced 20+ years ago you will then offer me 25 or 30GBP? When we all know that the real value is about $300/$600.00 for it. Inflation can be used only for items widely available and very common to find. Rarity/Demand/Availability are the key words and there is no formula for it.Again, bad analogy. Your unreleased chaos cannon is something that truly is rare. Thus could conceivably justify high prices due to said rarity.
rolljordanAs for illegal well not illegal I expressed my self wrong, I don't care of what you are doing to them. If you guys post auctions here is just fine and very nice for the other. But what it bothers me are words like don't let Essex get it or similar. Is not nice, and what if they read this post? Also looking at the way I value stuff I might become your next victim O____o if I decide I want to get 4 full units of 3rd Ed CD's and rate them at 10GBP each. Or you are hurting a serious collector like Biklinko that is just trying to complete his collection like you guys are doing.So if by using your logic that you see nothing wrong with what warhammer crazy is doing, I see nothing wrong with taking whatever means to stop them from getting minis at dirt-cheap prices. For reference, we didn't start this whole mess. The debate is an exercise in futility as none of us here who actually want to use CD minis are going to see it otherwise quite frankly.
rolljordan
Essexgirl deserves everything that comes her way IMHO. No matter what "mental gymnastics" you use you are NEVER going to convince those who have been burnt by her, or her outrageous "pricing" otherwise.
I'm not concerned about biklinko or his collection. Means nothing to me other then if I really want something on "vultureBay" I have to take the fact that he has driven up prices in his bidding patterns and adjust mine accordinglySorry to tell you but GW really doesn't care about it believe me :) for them doing so is unproductive. Manufacturing on demand was available from GW up to 7 years ago. You sent the code and they casted it. Looking at how GW is going in the future they will make available only time by time some selected models from the Archive. And believe me by 2008 all CD no matter what series will be OOP and will get harder to get.As far as GW mail order goes. Wow. You work for them? You know their intention. Their latest statement regarding said matter was either a) a figment of our collective imaginations or b) some bad beer we were all drinking last night with the Easter Bunny. In other words unless you work for GW either possibility is possible, but with neither being plausible.
rolljordan
GW is a company, Companies make money. When a company's sales keep delicling they ask why. After asking why they make changes to address said decrease in sales. If the cost is low enough to create models on demand I will not put it past GW to bring it back regardless of circumstances.
This is all just a waste of time anyways should GW release new CD minis for a new CD army..
Again, I understand your point, even if I disagree with them. Simply put however: Your logic is flawed from the start.
Willmark
As for Mail Order believe me my sources in GW turn to be 95% right each time. :) well talk about it next year.
gIL^:
well roll jordan its basically your word against mine, the on demand was never in place, they didnt cast when you wanted them, you ever see them massive boxes with each mini in,
this is old gamesworkshop mail order
they get the order on phone : they send the order down to the warehouse : they look at every code and walk down a massive row of plastic boxes when they find the certain box with the code on, they get said amount units that were ordered put it in a box and ship it to you,
currently they dont cast on demand they cast like 10,000 or so units every month in 1 day and chuck them all in a box, that is not demand so your wrong sorry.
the new method is far better where they do infact cast on demand i dont need to explain how that works do i?
i actually came with this news on this site and it is ( possible to have older cd mini’s ) but if the molds have been lost or destroyed they wont bother to make a new mold for that mini just not do that mini, its possible that all the molds are still around, or non of them are we can only hope.
rolljordan:
well roll jordan its basically your word against mine, the on demand was never in place, they didnt cast when you wanted them, you ever see them massive boxes with each mini in,Old MO had stocks of plastic boxes with the same mini in it hundreds of times is true, but in the old days you could also get them casted on the spot for you :) at the factory. Employees actually and some big store owners where given a chance to pick up a certain size box or certain lead weight each month or visit. The cannon I owe was casted for the older owner on the spot :)
this is old gamesworkshop mail order
they get the order on phone : they send the order down to the warehouse : they look at every code and walk down a massive row of plastic boxes when they find the certain box with the code on, they get said amount units that were ordered put it in a box and ship it to you,
currently they dont cast on demand they cast like 10,000 or so units every month in 1 day and chuck them all in a box, that is not demand so your wrong sorry.
the new method is far better where they do infact cast on demand i dont need to explain how that works do i?
i actually came with this news on this site and it is ( possible to have older cd mini's ) but if the molds have been lost or destroyed they wont bother to make a new mold for that mini just not do that mini, its possible that all the molds are still around, or non of them are we can only hope.
gIL^
As for the molds still in existence and not replaced you are 100% correct. Once lost or damaged they are gone. But remember an average life for rubber mold is not to exceed probably 1000 rounds, and these for new compounds. CD where casted in older organic rubber there less resistant. I hope GW will recast them but I don't see it to optimistic.
Well hope you are right and that if I order the Bull body again I will get it. It was the left side 1 I believe.
Doombeard:
rolljordan : Remember Biklinc is just a collector and not there to make a profit. He is buying stuff to keep and not resale for profit. So he is paying what he believe is worth to obtain such pieces.
im not trying to cause an argument but i really do beg to differ , every item that biklinic has ever bought from me has ended up in warhammer crazies store . here are three examples
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fantasy-Chaos-Dwarf-Hero-with-Axa-2-Pro-Painted_W0QQitemZ150159148291QQihZ005QQcategoryZ44128QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fantasy-Chaos-Dwarf-Hero-with-Axa-on-Foot-Pro-Painted_W0QQitemZ150159147636QQihZ005QQcategoryZ44128QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fantasy-Chaos-Dwarf-Astragoth-High-Priest-Pro-Painted_W0QQitemZ150159147099QQihZ005QQcategoryZ44128QQcmdZViewItem
i painted these guys last year and sold them on ebay for �10 each hoping they would go to a genuine collector . i am by no means a ‘pro painter’ . the fact that they appeared for sale in warhammer crazy store the next week was really dismaying to say the least, not to mention the 150% price mark up and the false title. how on earth you can say that guy has nothing to do with the store and is a genuine collector is beyond me, he bids on every single chaos dwarf auction and has been doing so for years , and he wins 75% of them.