Groznit Goregut:
Hi Guys,
I know that the book is available through Forge World / Warhammer Forge, but is it available anywhere in the US? Do you know if US suppliers will get it? If we have to tack on the shipping to the US for the book, that’s going to make it one expensive book…
It might take me a while to save up enough to get the book! I’m wondering how I might be able to try the list out until I can buy a book.
aka_mythos:
When it comes to FW, they like to release the book initially at Gamesday… which just happened, UK 2 weekends ago, and Australia this last weekend… and then release the book to online sales within the following month. I’d expect to see the book on their website before the end of October. That isn’t anything definitive or official… but a matter of consistency. Then again this is WF… and it isn’t necessarily the case that they will follow FW’s release pattern.
Groznit Goregut:
Right…I know that it was released for sale…
…but are they going to offer it to US customers to something other than online order and going to Games Day? Does the US even have a Games Day anymore? Where the heck is it these days? I’m sure it’s more than a 10 hour drive.
Time of Madness:
Right....I know that it was released for sale.....Like all Forge World stuff you'll only be able to get it online. You can always try ebay.
....but are they going to offer it to US customers to something other than online order and going to Games Day?
Groznit Goregut
Groznit Goregut:
Alright…I just checked shipping prices and it’s 15% of the order. So, with their other books going for 52 BPS, that makes it 59.8. So…converted to USD, that’s $93.14. Hashut’s Beard!!!
Would anyone in the UK pay 93 Pounds Sterling for the book !!! The dollar vs pound is pretty equivalent in day to day cost of living standards…
aka_mythos:
The book is £45.00… 15% is… £6.75… Total Price is £51.75… which is $80.61 US.
If shipping bugs you, and if I recall correctly, wait till the Christmas sale season begins and they give free shipping over a particular dollar amount purchase… and just get all your big stuff in one go.
Nicodemus:
Would anyone in the UK pay 93 Pounds Sterling for the book !?!?!?!?! The dollar vs pound is pretty equivalent in day to day cost of living standards....I don't think it quite works like that...
Groznit Goregut
ryanamandaanna:
They carry forgeworld books in GW stores in the US now. So you can either order online or ask your store to order it once its out. I don’t think you can get it from independent retailers, however…
Time of Madness:
If your order is more then £250.00 the shipping is free.
Time of Madness
Groznit Goregut:
How much does a Whopper meal cost in the UK? How much does a 6 pack cost? Song on iTunes? I believe the price is close enough to be the same.Would anyone in the UK pay 93 Pounds Sterling for the book !?!?!?!?! The dollar vs pound is pretty equivalent in day to day cost of living standards....I don't think it quite works like that...
Groznit Goregut
Nicodemus
Method:
yep,
Can’t wait for the book…
Hashut’s Blessing:
Whether true or not, it doesn't make the conversion rate approximately 1:1 ratio - as can be seen by working it out. Even if it was fairly close, the numbers you're talking of (maybe £6 apiece) scaled up by a factor of 10 - the difference is 10 times as much (say £1.50 difference: that's £15 difference...).How much does a Whopper meal cost in the UK? How much does a 6 pack cost? Song on iTunes? I believe the price is close enough to be the same.Would anyone in the UK pay 93 Pounds Sterling for the book !?!?!?!?! The dollar vs pound is pretty equivalent in day to day cost of living standards....I don't think it quite works like that...
Groznit Goregut
Nicodemus
Groznit Goregut
aka_mythos:
And lets not forget…
The book is £45.00… 15% is… £6.75… Total Price is £51.75… which is $80.61 US.and not $93 or ~£93
aka_mythos
Coopervisor:
Alright....I just checked shipping prices and it's 15% of the order. So, with their other books going for 52 BPS, that makes it 59.8. So.....converted to USD, that's $93.14. Hashut's Beard!!!!!!Well as the book looks to be £45, at least that is what it was sold for at Gamesday, the book + postage is £51.75.
Would anyone in the UK pay 93 Pounds Sterling for the book !?!?!?!?! The dollar vs pound is pretty equivalent in day to day cost of living standards....
Groznit Goregut
Groznit Goregut:
Alright, so I based the price on the £52 + 15% instead of the £45. Let’s go with the £45 conversion to $80 USD.
Still…one thing that I think people in the UK think is that it all works out in the end after conversion rates. It doesn’t. Not really. I am a married man with only so much money I get to spend on “whatever”. It’s my slush fund. I can spend it on incidental spending. I can buy a fast food meal. I can buy songs off iTunes. I can go to the movies. I can buy a pint in a bar. I am working off these day to day expenses that I get to spend my $100 US a month on.
Fast Food combo meal = $5.500-$6
iTunes song = $1
Movie Ticket = $12
Pint = $4
These are the day to day things that come out of my slush fund. They cost about the same in the UK, but in £ instead of $. It’s the same for a college student or other young person who is trying to figure out what to do with their available spending cash. So, one may want to talk about the cost of houses, gallon of gas, or etc, but when it comes to “I have x amount of money in my pocket that I can spend on whatever I want” the costs need to be compared.
Let’s look at a box of Black Orcs. In the UK it’s £25.50. In the US it’s $41.25. Tax will bump it up to about $45 in the US. For either £50 or $50, I can get:
10 or so fast food meals
12 or so pints
4 movie tickets
50 songs on iTunes
…but…in the UK, you can almost buy TWO boxes of Black Orcs for the One that I can buy.
Alright…I know I’ve gone seriously off topic. I’m ranting. I’m just frustrated that I can’t get all the toys I want and I hear UK people complain about prices. I can’t complain when Australia has gotten screwed even worse!
aka_mythos:
I understand where you’re coming from and yes it is frustrating that WFB and 40k are expensive hobbies.
Its seems what you’re asking for is a relationship of price relative to cost of living… which removes the difference in currency valuation from the comparison. On average the UK has a higher cost of living than the US… on the order of about 23%… meaning a person moving from the UK to the US could sustain their quality of living with 23% less income… while a person moving from the US to the UK needs a 23% salary raise to sustain their quality of living. That higher cost of living causes their products to be that much more expensive because companies have to pay those higher wages. They are then priced demographically based on the average total incomes of UK citizens, which in absolute terms tends to be higher despite having a smaller percentage as disposable. Additonally the UK they also have a value-added-tax that we don’t have to pay… it pretty arbitrarily categorizes different products and taxes them based on the work going into the product as a tax on the consumption of effort.
My point, in some ways we have it easier.
Thommy H:
VAT isn’t arbitrary - it’s only on non-essentials, so you don’t pay it on food for example. So that whopper meal we’re apparently using as a measure if the cost of living (which is the most depressing thing I’ve ever read on this forum, btw) isn’t even necessarily a useful data point (since GW products would include VAT in the price). Honestly, how else can they do it? Exchange rate is good enough for every other industry. Sorry our higher cost of living means you have to pay comparatively more but, hey, that’s international trading for you.
aka_mythos:
I know you don’t pay it on food. My point was its something we don’t have to deal with… so that is something in our favor.
I’m honestly not complaining, I think its perfectly legitamite that the price is what it is. I’m just explaining why it is, so don’t treat it as an attack on your way of life.
As far as VAT style taxes being arbitrary, I’m refering to the fact that at each step of manufacture or work some percentage of tax is added on to the product. That percentage varies with the variaties of work, where seemingly similar work is categorized differently with different rates. Most nations with VAT use it as a uncompetitive means to curtail import dependencies. Despite the fact that it flies in the face free trade agreements it was put in place and allowed because it would help post WWII europe recover, but is now regarded as internationally unfair and an indirectly applied tariff. On the international policy making stage, the growing use of VATs by many more nations and the greater barrier to trade with Europe is a great concern.
BeeZharr:
If you’re reasoning that $1 in the US will buy the equivalent of £1 in the UK, I think you’re using ‘London-prices’.
Up north, if I had to pay £4 a pint I would be seething. In fact anything more than £2.50 and I’ll go to another pub. Cinema I would expect to pay no more than £7, and downloading songs has cost me about 75p in the past. I can buy more with £50 in the UK than you can with $50 in the US.
Not sure what implications that has on the book costings though, but it seems reasonable to me.
aka_mythos:
He’s just trying to get a sense of how much different items cost in the UK relative to the US. A $4 pint… would be a £2.60 pint. A $10 movie is a £7 movie.
His issue is that its a generally pricey book… with a shipping cost that just makes it pricier.