Karring:
GW has realised a Finecast Great Taurus and FW has realised the Bale Taurus. So…
Should I asume I have to use GW taurus (50x50 mm base) for Great Taurus (low stats one) and FW taurus (50x100 mm base) for Bale Taurus (high stats one)?
Discoking:
Personally, I think that if you have the GW model, you can use that as either a Great or Bale Taurus.
And if you have a FW model, you can use that as either a Great or Bale Taurus.
As long as the bases are what they came with, that’s fine for me.
However… the FW model is obviously superior in looks.
This could just be me, however.
Thommy H:
The Bale Taurus comes on a Screaming Bell base (60 x 100 mm). And yes, you should use the base the models come with as usual. They share a bestiary page, but they’re different units, just like Fireborn and Destroyers.
Skink:
…Actually that’s a fairly good question. I would have said that “Bale Taurus” is the WF one, and “Great Taurus” is GW…
I don’t actually play Warhammer (for now!), however you think that opponents can complain if I’ll ever use the 50x50 base for a Bale Taurus?
Discoking:
I wouldn’t complain if you did…
Would you complain if a Bale Taurus model was used as a Great Taurus? Lol.
tvandyke:
I wouldn't complain if you did...I plan on using the FW Taurus as either the Bale or the Great. I never even thought twice about it. It's a superior model to the old one. Big fliers/monsters seem to be released on the 60x100 base nowadays. Back in the day, GW Dragons were released on 50x50's, now they're on the 60x100 so it seems to be the correct size anyway. In fact, if I was using the old model I'd re-base it on the 60x100. Keep in mind the Great and Bale Taurus aren't really different types of monsters. The Bale Taurus is listed under the Great Taurus bestiary in a way that would make it seem it's just a "champion" version of the Great Taurus.
Would you complain if a Bale Taurus model was used as a Great Taurus? Lol.
Discoking
tvandyke:
The Bale Taurus comes on a Screaming Bell base (60 x 100 mm). And yes, you should use the base the models come with as usual. They share a bestiary page, but they're different units, just like Fireborn and Destroyers.Not really. While the Destroyer is a type of K'daii, it's listed as Unit type "monster" while Fireborn and the Manburner are listed as Unit Type "Monstrous Infantry". They also point out exactly what base size the Destroyer is on. In the Great Taurus bestiary they basically just describe the Bale Taurus as the mightiest of Great Taurus's (basically a champion version). They're both listed as Unit Type "monster". If you're going to compare the two to K'Daii, I'd say the Great Taurus is more like the Fireborn and the Bale Taurus more like the Manburner.
Thommy H
Thommy H:
One isn’t an upgrade of the other though - they’re totally different mount options. So they should go on the correct bases. I don’t think anyone would mind or anything, but the question was about the rules.
And unit type has no bearing on base size anyway, as we’ve discovered with Bull Centaurs. Stuff goes on the base it goes on.
nilbog:
GW sells a great taurus on a 50x50 base, whereas FW sell a bale taurus on a 60x100 base. IMHO that’s how they should be played. I wouldn’t want somebody turning up with a bale taurus on a massive base and only paying the points for a great taurus, as the blazing body will do more hits from a bigger base - I would say that’s an advantage of having the bale over the great. Similarly, artillery is more likely to miss a great rather than a bale due to it’s smaller base.
However, in friendly games I don’t think it matters one bit. If somebody did turn up with a bale taurus, I think I’d be so impressed that I wouldn’t be bothered what it was used to represent.
IzNoGood:
on a slightly related theme, in LoA the Lammasu is able to take the relevant upgrades from SOM, can the Great Taurus do this as well?
Hashut’s Blessing:
The Great Taurus in LoA doesn’t say to use the profile from SoM, so no.
IzNoGood:
I wonder if thats by omission, might be worth checking with FW? The breath weapon would make it fluffier and more in line with RH.
Discoking:
I’m in the process of emailing FW.
They don’t understand what I’m talking about, as they know they can’t change SoM FAQ…
Which is not what I’m trying to do, obviously… I’m asking them to clarify the Great Taurus through FAQ, as separate from the Bale Taurus rules.
One way to do this is to rule it like the Lammasu.
However, I think the extra options would make the Great better than the Bale.
IzNoGood:
If you took both options if memory serves it would add something like 60pts, so it would be closer pointwise, but still cheaper. The extra wound and toughness of the Bale are pretty significant though. Thanks for asking them 
rpitts2004:
If you took both options if memory serves it would add something like 60pts, so it would be closer pointwise, but still cheaper. The extra wound and toughness of the Bale are pretty significant though. Thanks for asking them :)I think if you take the great taurus over bale taurus you lose blazing body and breath attack str 4. In the FAQ they only discussed blazing body with k'daai and bale taurus.
IzNoGood
Discoking:
I think if you take the great taurus over bale taurus you lose blazing body and breath attack str 4. In the FAQ they only discussed blazing body with k'daai and bale taurus.Well, that's it. They don't lose Blazing Body. They have confirmed this via email already.
rpitts2004
GT use the Blazing Body rule without the update. And they didn't have the Breath Weapon.
They don't think it needs clarification, but I say it does.
Because they updated the rule, & not the creatures.
However, trying to convince these guys that a simple mention of :
"as per The Storm of Magic Great Taurus" would stop debate, it is like talking to a zombie, via email, in the dark.
I'll post the Emails later.
rpitts2004:
The breath attack alone makes the bale taurus much better and AMAZING,
In close combat you get 2d6 str 4 for your breath attacks, then you get your prophets attack then the taurus then d6 +1 str 6 thunderstomp.
Discoking:
The breath attack alone makes the bale taurus much better and AMAZING,You missed out Blazing Body hits, lol.
In close combat you get 2d6 str 4 for your breath attacks, then you get your prophets attack then the taurus then d6 +1 str 6 thunderstomp.
rpitts2004
Why D6+1 Thunderstomps?
rpitts2004:
I dunno, I just though it was d6+1, maybe that is impact hits, so… D6 thunderstomp attacks I totally forgot about blazing body. What a beast
Swissdictator:
I would try to go with the right base size, but in terms of models… I find it quite pathetic if someone complained if you used a classic Great Taurus for a Bale Taurus (whose rules are closer to the classic Great Taurus anyways) so long as you have the right base size. With that in mind, since I own two of the classic Great Taurus I’d just base one for each.
Plus with the classic one being finecast and fairly affordable, go with that one if you like. 
Just need to get a rider (not hard to convert up). Plus your local store could easily order that one in for you.