Due to a new comp we’re trying out, I’ve decided to take a Great Taurus in my army. This is the first time I’ve really thought about using it and I’m a little confused by its rules in Tamurkhan.
Look at the FW FAQ, it looks like the Great Taurus no longer has Blazing Body, is this correct?
The FAQ changes the language to say “Any model (friend or foe) in base contact with one or more Bale Taurus or K’daai…” … nothing about the Great Taurus.
Also, does the Tamurkhan Great Taurus not have a Breath Weapon? It says "Breath Weapon (Strength 4, Flaming Attack, Bale Taurus only)."
That’s worded a little odd. So does the Great Taurus have a breath weapon, it’s just not S4 like the Bale Taurus? If that’s the case, then what strength is it?
Thanks for any clarification. Sorry if it’s been posted before, I’m at work and can only post from my phone so searching is a pain.
Great Taurus still has Blazing Body, but it follows the rules as specified in Monstrous Arcanum (or Storm of Magic, forget which book it was in), so it gives -1 to wound instead of the updated version that forces re-rolls. Not sure about the breath weapon.
It was my understanding that the great taurus does not have a breath weapon.
Heavygear
it does if you read in the beastiary on pg185 at the bottom of its rules it is in the last part
gashnag
infact it says Bale Taurus only!
anyway, I follow the rules present in the Tamurkhan book, not SoM... so I use the new version for the blazing body , Idon't see why to use the older version..
Unfortunately the Great Taurus follows the Storm of Magic rules and not the Tamurkhan rules as it is a Games Workshop model.
This is a very confusing and counter intuitive place for us to be in, the FAQ only affects the Bale Taurus and a great Taurus refers back to the GW produced rules in the SoM book.
I can’t find it right now but I think this was cleared up in an email from FW at some point and posted on here.
Unfortunately the Great Taurus follows the Storm of Magic rules and not the Tamurkhan rules as it is a Games Workshop model.
This is a very confusing and counter intuitive place for us to be in, the FAQ only affects the Bale Taurus and a great Taurus refers back to the GW produced rules in the SoM book.
I can't find it right now but I think this was cleared up in an email from FW at some point and posted on here.
Cheers
Vogon
Vogon
that makes sense,but then what point value do we use? the points in tamurkhan are lower. also, would this mean that we get access to the options in storm of magic?
Unfortunately the Great Taurus follows the Storm of Magic rules and not the Tamurkhan rules as it is a Games Workshop model.
This is a very confusing and counter intuitive place for us to be in, the FAQ only affects the Bale Taurus and a great Taurus refers back to the GW produced rules in the SoM book.
I can't find it right now but I think this was cleared up in an email from FW at some point and posted on here.
Cheers
Vogon
Vogon
that makes sense,but then what point value do we use? the points in tamurkhan are lower. also, would this mean that we get access to the options in storm of magic?
Danzig
Why is anyone using Storm of Magic rules for the Great Taurus? The LOA list under Sorcerer prophet mounts clearly states Great Taurus- (page 185). So use the rules on page 185 of Tamurkhan. It doesn't at any point refer you to Storm of Magic for the Great Taurus. Just read the book.
The FAQ only gives this option for the Lammasu. LOA gives no rules for the Lammasu and refers you to Storm of Magic so those upgrades being a part of the only official rules are legal to use. I agree it is really kind of ridiculous for them to refer you to a different book for rules. I'm guessing there was a timing issue with the two releases during rules development and they didn't want to clash.
If I were playing the Great Taurus I would use the rules presented in the LOA list. The LOA list does not refer you to Storm of Magic for the Great Taurus so I would not be buying upgrades for it from another rules set in non storm of magic games.
Unfortunately the Great Taurus follows the Storm of Magic rules and not the Tamurkhan rules as it is a Games Workshop model.
This is a very confusing and counter intuitive place for us to be in, the FAQ only affects the Bale Taurus and a great Taurus refers back to the GW produced rules in the SoM book.
I can't find it right now but I think this was cleared up in an email from FW at some point and posted on here.
Cheers
Vogon
Vogon
Where are you getting this from? No where in Tamurkhan or the FAQ does it refer you to Storm of Magic for rules on the Great Taurus. It does, however, give you a written set of rules to follow on page 185 of the LOA bestiary.
So no you can't give your Great Taurus flaming breath for 30 points because on page 185 of Tamurkhan it says flaming breath, Bale Taurus only - pretty freaking clearly.
Great Taurus Q. Can the Great Taurus take the upgrade options from the Storm Of Magic book, as the Lammassu per Tamurkhan FAQ? A. The Great Taurus may indeed select the Storm of Magic upgrades. (Email Mon 25th Feb 2013)
Q. In the Tamurkhan FAQ, the Great Taurus has not been included in the Blazing Body update. This seems to indicate that the Great Taurus still benefits from the -1 To Wound, whilst K�?TDaai & Bale Taurus benefit from re-roll To Wound from non-magical attacks against them. A. The revised Burning Body rule applies ONLY to K’daai and Bale Taurus; the Great Taurus continues to use the Storm of Magic wording. (Email Mon 25th Feb 2013)
Q. As per above reply, the Great Taurus still uses the -1 To Wound rule as per Storm of Magic wording. The way this was FAQed before was that wounding on a 7s was not possible & thus it could not be wounded by Strength 3 attacks. However, the FAQ update has since been changed for the K�?TDaai & Bale Taurus, without explaining wheter the previous method of cannot be wounded on 7s still applies to the Great Taurus? A. With regards to the rules for the Great Taurus, it has not changed, it still cannot be wounded on 7’s. (Email Tue 11th June 2013)
Q. Does the Bale Taurus also have the Fuelled by Fire rule or does it apply only to the Great Taurus ? The special rule on page 185 specifically names the Great Taurus but the page is titled Great Taurus as well. A. The Great Taurus has “Fuelled by Fire”, however the Bale Taurus doesn’t. (Email Fri 14th June 2013)
Wow. That is just not very smart - different books, same name for a special that is diffrent from one another and a FAQ that confuses more than it clears.
I own Tamurkhan and not Storm of Magic. I use the LoA list and the eratta/faw for that one. And as such my Great Taurus just got really sucky. I didn’t have a breath weapon before - but now it also lost it’s blazing body (when looking at what is written).
Checked the Great Taurus out in the SoM list though - then it’ll suddently cost you 30 point more than in the LoA list. Are we supposed to use the 145p (losing blazing body) or the 175p (gaining a (different than bale taurus) blazing body).
Great Taurus
Q. Can the Great Taurus take the upgrade options from the Storm Of Magic book, as the Lammassu per Tamurkhan FAQ?
A. The Great Taurus may indeed select the Storm of Magic upgrades. (Email Mon 25th Feb 2013)
Q. In the Tamurkhan FAQ, the Great Taurus has not been included in the Blazing Body update. This seems to indicate that the Great Taurus still benefits from the -1 To Wound, whilst K�?TDaai & Bale Taurus benefit from re-roll To Wound from non-magical attacks against them.
A. The revised Burning Body rule applies ONLY to K'daai and Bale Taurus; the Great Taurus continues to use the Storm of Magic wording. (Email Mon 25th Feb 2013)
Q. As per above reply, the Great Taurus still uses the -1 To Wound rule as per Storm of Magic wording. The way this was FAQed before was that wounding on a 7s was not possible & thus it could not be wounded by Strength 3 attacks. However, the FAQ update has since been changed for the K�?TDaai & Bale Taurus, without explaining wheter the previous method of cannot be wounded on 7s still applies to the Great Taurus?
A. With regards to the rules for the Great Taurus, it has not changed, it still cannot be wounded on 7's. (Email Tue 11th June 2013)
Q. Does the Bale Taurus also have the Fuelled by Fire rule or does it apply only to the Great Taurus ? The special rule on page 185 specifically names the Great Taurus but the page is titled Great Taurus as well.
A. The Great Taurus has "Fuelled by Fire", however the Bale Taurus doesn't. (Email Fri 14th June 2013)
Cheers
Vogon
Vogon
It is VERY much worth bearing in mind that these are NOT official rulings. They are e-mail replies. Follow the FAQ and rulebook. The above is fine for friendly games, but if you're against an opponent that is a stickler for legality or at a tournament, don't use them as a supercedent to the FAQ and LoA list.
You don’t use the Storm of Magic rules anyway - you use the Tamurkhan rules, it’s just that the Bale Taurus and the Destroyer now use something different. The original FAQ is actually clear, it’s just a bit…odd…how two units that share a bestiary entry use different versions of the same rule. I think they sort of forgot they’d provided rules for the Great Taurus too (hence all the unnecessary SoM talk).
You don't use the Storm of Magic rules anyway - you use the Tamurkhan rules, it's just that the Bale Taurus and the Destroyer now use something different. The original FAQ is actually clear, it's just a bit...odd...how two units that share a bestiary entry use different versions of the same rule. I think they sort of forgot they'd provided rules for the Great Taurus too (hence all the unnecessary SoM talk).
Thommy H
It's even worse that way.
If you ignore the email from Forgeworld, then the Great Taurus doesn't have the Blazing Body rule anymore!
The FAQ says: "Page 184 and 185: Replace the Blazing Body rules text with the following..."
So, whatever it says on page 184 and 185 about "Blazing Body" is deleted and not an official rule any more.
Instead, you now have the rule from the FAQ whichs says: "Any model (friend or foe) in base contact with one or more Bale Taurus or K�?Tdaai..." The Great Taurus isn't mentioned. RAW would mean that being in base contact with a Bale Taurus or a K'daai causes a strength 4 hit, but not being in base contact with a Great Taurus.
So, as I said, the wording of the FAQ taken literally would mean that the Great Taurus doesn't have the Blazing Body rule anymore (or, that the Great Taurus still has it, but it doesn't do anything for him).
The email, however, makes it clear that this isn't what was intended.
Haha, as long as they produce outstanding miniatures, background and lavishly illustrated sourcebooks, I’m prepared to swallow it.
It might be time for FW to contact the GW rules development team to borrow members willing to correct and try out their rules. An in every way perfect package is better than a flawed but polished one.
Haha, as long as they produce outstanding miniatures, background and lavishly illustrated sourcebooks, I'm prepared to swallow it. ;)
It might be time for FW to contact the GW rules development team to borrow members willing to correct and try out their rules. An in every way perfect package is better than a flawed but polished one.
Admiral
Ah but don't you know GW (and therefore by extension is subsidiaries Forge World and Citadel) are a miniatures company, not a wargaming company, so why would they bother sending the experienced rules writers to help FW when that's not the focus of their business model?
