DSCF0109 is a picture of a Bull Centaur torso that is real and DSCF0110 is a comparison with real and perhaps fake.
What does does everyone think?
Update 1: Posted this already but to make sure that people who are just skimming over threads aren’t put off, the Ebay seller is an honest one, it was just bad luck and he’d been fooled by whoever he bought the models off to begin with.
Update 2 for Redhammer: The seller asked me to send the models back and he’s sending replacements, he’s going to get in contact with the person he bought them off and ask them if they knew that they were fake.
Who did you get this from? I have bids pending, and now am worried…
From what I can tell, if it isn’t a recast, some bits look of lower quality. Either lots of wear and tear, or maybe worse. Probably better to get someone who really knows his classic Chaos Dwarfs.
I’m sorry dude, I am quite sure they are recasts, the quality isn’t there, the detail has been mottled away. I’d ask for a refund, and ask him to say if they are recasts or not.
If he won’t give a refund, open a dispute via Paypal, and claim them to be fake/forgeries. If he confesses to then being recasts, hmmm its up to you if you tell eBay / GW.
also I recall someone saying that in some instances Paypal give you the refund and ask you to “dispose” of the goods. (But this might be wrong)
Thanks for the quick replies. I’ve sent the seller an email asking for a replacement or 3/7 refund (since three of the seven models had problems). Now I’m three models away from a 750 point Chaos Dwarf army, oh well.
Thought I should post an update. The seller has got back to me, basically he didn’t know himself and never checked, the figures he sent weren’t all from the same seller he got them from and he’s been very understanding. basically for people who are being put off buying from him I’m sure he’s an honest Ebay seller and it was just bad luck.
Looking at the picture second from right I’d say that was definitely recast. The dimples and grainy effect are typical of a poor hand casting… Not that I’d know of course (about doing poor casting, not recasting).
I think that’s actually caused by the metal not being hot enough, something you don’t see on models made professionally by a spin caster. Probably cheap metal as well.
It’s a recast. You can especially tell around the mould lines. They’ve overly large and the two halves aren’t even lined up well. You can see this better along the hand holding the axe in the other pic you posted.
Bad form. I’d contact the seller and ask what they are prepared to do. Did you pay by Paypal by any chance? If-so you have some additional buyer protection and recourse there…
Those are some pretty poor casts. I think it is from too low temperature during casting.
I thought this was going to be another double mold line incident, which Id like to add, recently I bought Grimgore Ironhide from GW and it had a double mold line, so Im no longer convinced that double mold lines are a direct indication of illegal recast.
Looking at the last picture I’m pretty convinced its a re cast for a start the metals are a bit too bright containing a lot of tin and antimony in it hence not being able to get the temperature to the desired casting material to fill out the detail. Also the mold lines are awfully thick.
Yup, Recasts. The mottling is because he hasn’t added enough talc to the mould before casting.
I thought this was going to be another double mold line incident, which Id like to add, recently I bought Grimgore Ironhide from GW and it had a double mold line, so Im no longer convinced that double mold lines are a direct indication of illegal recast.
Yeah, that probably just indicates GW have made fresh moulds of Grimgor from one of the master casts rather than the green (which may have been damaged when casting). Essentially they’ve done the same thing as a recast, only they’ve done it well
Those are some pretty poor casts. I think it is from too low temperature during casting.
I thought this was going to be another double mold line incident, which Id like to add, recently I bought Grimgore Ironhide from GW and it had a double mold line, so Im no longer convinced that double mold lines are a direct indication of illegal recast.
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It's a good indicator though, useful as something to look for to add up to a fake, but in itself not an absolute indicator.
The inside of the body halves is what proves it for my. The originals were just falt, not that ‘compartmentalised’ inner. I can only assume this was to save metal. How’s it ended up?
(about doing poor casting, not recasting).
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