eudaimon:
Is there any reason why a khan can’t join a unit of CDs?
The contempt rule means that CD characters can’t join other non-contempt units, but I haven’t found anything that suggests the reverse is true?
Fuggit Khan:
As far as I know, you are correct in that the contempt rule only excludes a CD joining a Hobbo unit, not the other way around. But just because FW did not mention every variable of the contempt rule does not necessarily mean that a Khan should take advantage of minor rule exclusions…not to mention that as far as Warhmmer lore goes, no self respecting/contempt filled CD unit would let some Hobbo join them in ranks. The very thought of it would likely seal the Hobbo’s fate and get the upstart greenskin shipped off to the mines :hashut
I would suggest in friendly games among friends you ask them first if it’s okay with them…but I would not do it and especially not in a tournament…it just does not feel right rules wise.
Gunnerson:
This is apples and oranges. Why (pardon the upcomming analogy please) would would a group who hates another group allow the hated party to join them. (here comes the analogy) A skin head would never join a black/jewish group of any sort nor would they for that matter allow a member of either of those groups to join them. The rule is readable both ways If a modle with contempt can’t join another unit type then another unit type can not join them.
Example a Sorcerer Prophet is out for a walk a horde of 50 hobbos sees him and think boy he has a sharp hat! So they decide to join his unit, thus creating a new unit where the hobbo unit joined the IC unit. ICs are their own unit and can join other units of the approprate type IE chaos dwarfs with CDs, Taruks with BCs and Kahns with Hobbos.
BABIS:
from what I understood, a khan can join a CD unit only if this unit does not have a CD character.
a CD character can not join a hob unit at all…
Gunnerson:
Have Tamrakahun right here with me the rule is this and is listed under The Chaos Dwarfs
Contempt (p? the chaos dwarfs):
Characters with the the contempt rule may not join units other those who are also subject to this rule as well as any other normal restrictions.
Army Special rules (p 187):
…Chaos Dwarf and Bull centaur units are not subject to panic tests caused by friendly units which are destroyed or fail a panic or break test within 6" of them unless the unit destroyed or broken unit is itselv a Chaos Dwarf or Bull Centaur unit.
Characters with the the contempt rule may not join units other those who are also subject to this rule as well as any other normal restrictions.
As an event orginizer I would limit units to only joining other units that have that rule and are the same type.
Geist:
As a judge I would by the letter of the rule until shown else wise or FAQed to be wrong. The khan can join the CD because there is no rule stating he may not. There is a rule stating a CD can not join any unit of hobogoblins. All examples of racial groups as provided before are not just illogical for the case of working out the mechanics they are also in bad taste.
Gunnerson:
As a judge I would by the letter of the rule until shown else wise or FAQed to be wrong. The khan can join the CD because there is no rule stating he may not. There is a rule stating a CD can not join any unit of hobogoblins. All examples of racial groups as provided before are not just illogical for the case of working out the mechanics they are also in bad taste.Based on your argument you could have a Hobgoblin unit of sneaky gits or a hobgoblin kahn join a Sorcerer Prophet unit. It says the character won't join them bit it does not say they can not join his unit....
Geist
Grimbold Blackhammer:
Units do not join characters - character join units.
Gunnerson:
Units do not join characters - character join units.Meh...you got me there. I still won't be allowing it in any event I run. Why would you let your slave lead your men to battle? RAW vs RAI Forge World resolved the last argument aganst this sort of thing in my favor with a BullCentaur Ta'ruk using the Black Hammer. I think it is an oversite rather than an intended function.
Grimbold Blackhammer
Abecedar:
I’m with Fuggit. No Chaos dwarfs of any type would let a Hobgoblin no matter what its rank join them because of their contempt for any lesser race. Just because a rule doesn’t specifically state that the reverse case is the same, doesn’t make it OK or right to do it.
KramDratta:
I'm with Fuggit. No Chaos dwarfs of any type would let a Hobgoblin no matter what its rank join them because of their contempt for any lesser race. Just because a rule doesn't specifically state that the reverse case is the same, doesn't make it OK or right to do it.Do not mix background "fluff" with game rules.
Abecedar
There are many benefits for a khan to join a CD/Bull Centaur unit.
eudaimon:
So, irrespective of fluff, we are all agreed that RAW a khan can join CDs. Why I am looking you may ask? Obsidian amulet.
Thanks.
Baggronor:
Meh...you got me there. I still won't be allowing it in any event I run. Why would you let your slave lead your men to battle? RAW vs RAI Forge World resolved the last argument aganst this sort of thing in my favor with a BullCentaur Ta'ruk using the Black Hammer. I think it is an oversite rather than an intended function.Its the letter of the rules that matters at an event though. I don't think a Black Orc Big Boss should be allowed to join Goblins, or unmarked Sorcerers join Khorne Chaos Warriors, but RAW there is nothing to prevent this.
I don't actually see any reason why CDs would be bothered about a Hobgoblin joining them, they have regular contact with them everyday. Sure, they don't care about him and they certainly aren't being led by him (they have higher Ld), he is just with them as part of the battle plan.
cornixt:
I don't actually see any reason why CDs would be bothered about a Hobgoblin joining them, they have regular contact with them everyday. Sure, they don't care about him and they certainly aren't being led by him (they have higher Ld), he is just with them as part of the battle plan.This.
Baggronor
KramDratta:
So, irrespective of fluff, we are all agreed that RAW a khan can join CDs. Why I am looking you may ask? Obsidian amulet.Sadly, Khan can only carry 25 pts mate (another Forgeworld special)
Thanks.
eudaimon
richard barby:
i used to have a khan in my warriors. my warriors threw him under many buses at silly angles to buy them a turn with out having to get charged by iron guts or skillcrushers
Abecedar:
Bugger… Logic and Raw WINS. So back to fluff I can see a unit of CD’s that has been joined by a Khan, throwing it into a challenge against something with the epitaph “here Have ago runt” " We’ll deal with it later"!!
KramDratta:
And …anything that a khan can do, a khan on wolf can do better 
Have both start in the unit (one on either side). As soon as an enemy block unit approaches, shoot them out & block the unit so that it has to charge both. Flee with both. If the khans do not have shields, they can rally (should be within 12" of general & BSB if you placed them right) & repeat.
Geist:
The ruling to make them fast cav with out shields was silly (as no other 8th ed book does that anymore), but still very powerful. Khans on wolves as fast cav is a great boost to our point starved army.
Socalwarhammer:
A couple of lone Khans (with cheap magic weapons) on wolves can really create a bunch of havoc and are good for hunting skirmishers or ethereals. Placing them in a unit of CD would add to their overall usefulness.