[Archive] Hobgoblin Rules Clarification

Thorne:

10 cavalry for 160 points damn I usualy feild at least 2 regiments of them for the sheer versitility of them. Cheap throw away they may be but harrassing flanks blocking march moves they rule.

Nicodemus:

harrassing flanks blocking march moves they rule.

Thorne
Much agreed. Especially given the general lack of mobility Chaos Dwarf armies have (even when considering the 2D6+Mv for Charges in 8th Ed) they do indeed rule...

We've played a few games starting at 750pts, 1000, etc etc. I didn't find they worked well at 750 as it was too many points for a unit that I was going to charge in and potentially lose (and in low points games I was finding there was fewer things of importance I needed to flank charge, etc)... but starting at 1000pts I started putting in a minimum-sized unit and they were great.

Having a dozen of 'em is great. Keep going!! I also just got my Oglah Khan box set today and will be putting them together tonight for use tomorrow ;)

~N

snowblizz:

Having a dozen of 'em is great. Keep going!!  I also just got my Oglah Khan box set today and will be putting them together tonight for use tomorrow ;)

~N

Nicodemus
I have 2 boxes of those. I visited a guy with like 8-9 boxes. Unopened in shrink wrap still. So I got them for the sticker price basically.

Bought pretty much all of his Hobgobs and CDs for "bro price".

AssurBahniZharr:

To attack a warmachine is 6 models as far as I remember, so you have 3 Hg and 3 wolf, put a champion and You have seven attacks. Dwarf machines har hard, but Khemri, Empire, Skaven could be beaten.

Sure that a hero makes them lose the light cavalry rule?

snowblizz:

To attack a warmachine is 6 models as far as I remember, so you have 3 Hg and 3 wolf,

AssurBahniZharr
No you have 6 Hobbos & wolfs. 1 hobbo+ wolf = 1 model. 12 attacks at least.

Spikes:

Yeah but cavalry and monstrous infantry count as 3.

Da Crusha:

Sure that a hero makes them lose the light cavalry rule?

AssurBahniZharr
yes
Yeah but cavalry and monstrous infantry count as 3.

Spikes
exactly, thats why you can only get 2 of them to fight a war machine.

snowblizz:

Yeah but cavalry and monstrous infantry count as 3.

Spikes
exactly, thats why you can only get 2 of them to fight a war machine.


Da Crusha
No.
Monstrous infantry, monstrous cavalry and monstrous beasts count as 3 models. Monsters count as 5.
You are reading the "abbreviation" incorrectly. You'll find in all other instances that monstrous infantry/cavalry/beasts refers to the monstrous cavalry and beasts types.

Consider that according to your interpretation: infantry, monstrous cavalry, monstrous beasts and war beasts count 1 mode each but monstrous infantry, cavalry, the non-existing "beasts" type count as 3 and monsters count as 5 models respectively. Can you see the error you are making?

Da Crusha:

Yeah but cavalry and monstrous infantry count as 3.

Spikes
exactly, thats why you can only get 2 of them to fight a war machine.


Da Crusha
No.
Monstrous infantry, monstrous cavalry and monstrous beasts count as 3 models. Monsters count as 5.
You are reading the "abbreviation" incorrectly. You'll find in all other instances that monstrous infantry/cavalry/beasts refers to the monstrous cavalry and beasts types.

Consider that according to your interpretation: infantry, monstrous cavalry, monstrous beasts and war beasts count 1 mode each but monstrous infantry, cavalry, the non-existing "beasts" type count as 3 and monsters count as 5 models respectively. Can you see the error you are making?


snowblizz
oh WOW. I do see it now. oh man, thanks for pointing that out to me.

@ CDO community: my apologies for writing out a false rule interpretation.

snowblizz:

oh WOW. I do see it now. oh man, thanks for pointing that out to me.

@ CDO community: my apologies for writing out a false rule interpretation.

Da Crusha
The wording is pretty deceptive. The first time I read I also thought it said differently. I "get around" a lot so I've seen this discussion before. :~

This is one instance where terseness really only makes for confusion.

AssurBahniZharr:

So in the end i was anyway wrong XD Cavarly is not two models…is only 1

That’s make wolf rider hg super-coolXD

Da Crusha:

oh WOW. I do see it now. oh man, thanks for pointing that out to me.

@ CDO community: my apologies for writing out a false rule interpretation.

Da Crusha
The wording is pretty deceptive. The first time I read I also thought it said differently. I "get around" a lot so I've seen this discussion before. :~

This is one instance where terseness really only makes for confusion.


snowblizz
just found this in the warhammer FAQ.

Q: Where there are references to monstrous infantry/cavalry/beasts
does this mean just monstrous infantry, monstrous cavalry and
monstrous beasts (and not �?~ordinary�?T cavalry and beasts)? (various)
A: Yes.

snowblizz:

just found this in the warhammer FAQ.

Q: Where there are references to monstrous infantry/cavalry/beasts
does this mean just monstrous infantry, monstrous cavalry and
monstrous beasts (and not �?~ordinary�?T cavalry and beasts)? (various)
A: Yes.

Da Crusha
I had a feeling I had seen something like that. But I was too lazy to check for specifics. I knew I was correct you see so didn't bother... :D

Thanks for digging though. Now there's an even better chance the *next* time I see it I can say "by the beard of Hashut, read FAQ!".