I can remember having a similar discussion about orc and goblins on Portent ages ago. Telling people that goblins grow from spores(or whatever) is as stupid as still beveling babies are delivered by bigbird in real life.
Its simple they all have great sex and sometime later have babies this is true for all the fantasy races except maybe skinks.
on dwarfs I read once a theory/story about dwarven females which I really liked: All dwarf girls look a lot like the males (with beard and all) and for a dwarf to tell his true sex is something very personal. (like your best mate tells you he’s a girl after 100 years of friendship) so they dont have lots of sex (poor frustrated bastards) but do reproduce as humans.
Unfortunately GW never made female dwarf trollslayers.
Sorry, but I can’t abide the idea of female dwarfs having beards. It is the single stupidest and most annoying thign I’ve heard and because of the line about it in LotR, loads of people decided that it was gospel that ALL dwarfs have beards…
Never in the history of Wh Fb was there mention in any rulebook that they reproduce via spores.
Apart from the current one...
Thommy H
Except that it only mentions spores, not that they literally reproduce in that manner.
GW makes a big deal about dwarfs and beards but doesn't even mention how female dwarfs deal with their lack of one?! That's an even bigger fluff-hole than them having or not having beards in the first place. The jury is still out for me on both issues until GW are a bit more specific than a single model from 3 editions ago and a single mention of "spores" which looks very figurative.
Every female dwarf produced by Citadel from the very beginning of the line - from preslotta days to Queen Helgar has been beardless. I don’t think that they have a problem with being without beards - their males on the other hand… GW makes a big deal about male dwarfs having beards - and given the focus of game on combat that would mean that it tends to focus on that portion of society that does the fighting, in the case of dwarfs, the males.
The examples of female dwarfs produced by Citadel are:
Well as ive seen human females with bears I dont think dwarven females with beards are that impossible. But I dont say they have(I think they invented the razor already) I just said that I like the thought. the most important thing ofcourse here is the do reproduce in the same way as humans and I think most people here agree on that.
Never in the history of Wh Fb was there mention in any rulebook that they reproduce via spores.
Apart from the current one...
Thommy H
current one? u mean the 7th ed? Where does it say that? i mean, i've read the O&G army book and the main rulebook and many others and i didn't encounter mention of this, so if you cold direct me to the page where it states that i would be grateful.
the greenskin life cyce:
-pile of dirt
-snotling
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Gar Shadowfame
Ah, there is somebody looking for trouble, eh?! :yar
:P
Well Thommy, can you quote the part with the Orc reproduction? Would be cool if they finally clarified it. I really think it started like a joke...
It’s in the background section of the current rulebook. Pretty much the first page, when they’re talking about how the Old Ones created all the races. It says the Orcs probably got to the Warhammer World by having their spores carried across the interstellar void by the Old Ones’ ships. I’ll get a quote for you later if you want.
No need for a quote, i found it. I guess that GW is merging the worlds of WH 40k and WH Fb then. In the previous editions if i remember correctly orcs were always portrayed as a failed experiment of the old ones.
I don’t know how to construct a “belief” in something when the only variable is “what is written in the books”. Aren’t we just discussing GW’s fluff? If we decide we only want to “count” things that we chose to, then this conversation becomes pointless.
Also, GW is a UK company, and the new Beastman book is very non-kiddie-friendly…
Hm, maybe I can look it up somewhere two, but if it’s not a big part, a quote would be nice, because I have only the BfSP rule book, there is no background (I thought and still think that I don’t need background anymore, I started with the 5th edition ^^). It could probably be that this thing woith the spore could be interpretated as a metaphor… like Picco said, in the older editions, the Orcs are and experiment of the Old Ones which just get out of control.
And the Beastmen rulebook is kiddy-friendly… more or less. It is paradox, that violent contend is much more accepted and seems to count as less disturbing for children than a sexual content… especially for the american mommys and daddys
Well and Blood Bowl is not a reference for Warhammer background, otherwise Dwarfs and Goblins could stay in one building to watch a sports event :D. Once I red that the Blood Bowl world is a kind of a parallel universe… as an excuse that the BB fluff and the WH fluff doesn’t fit together…
And I totally refuse to accept that the Warhammer World is just a planet of the 40k universe… never!
“At some point, the Orcs arrived. Quite probably their insidious spores were unwittingly introduced to the world by the star vessels of the Old Ones, although possibly they drifted through the voids of space and came to the world by their own means. Either way, in the hidden wilderness, the greenskins spread to become a constant thorn in the side of the other races.”
Snotling that’s exactly what i thought, that whfb and wh40k are alternative or parallel worlds but i guess GW might have changed their mind about that:mad
No, it’s not a planet in the 40K Galaxy. If it was, all of Warhammer would be pointless, because an Imperial fleet could just stumble across them and reduce everything to ash with a salvo of cyclonic torpedoes. So all the fighting would be for nothing. They’re parallel universes, connected by the Warp - after all, Khorne is Khorne.
Pet theory time:
The Warhammer World is a planet created (or modified) by the Old Ones somewhere in a pocket dimension in Warp space. The Old Ones used it as a place to try out their genetic engineering before introducing them to the Galaxy at large. They created humans, Eldar (Elves) and Orks (so the spores thing is actually a lie, just not in the same way…) and Dwarfs (but they never got past the planning stages, since Squats are natural human mutants) as well as the Lizardmen, obviously. Everything was going fine, until the War in Heaven (the wars against the C’Tan) distracted them. They took their eye of the ball and the Chaos Gods attacked, spying a rich source of souls on their own doorstep. The Warp Gates which kept out the Immaterium collapsed and the Warhammer World was saturated with Chaos and lost in the tides of the Warp. The Old Ones turned their attention back to the real universe and mourned their wonderful creation which, even now, is still struggling to resist the grip of Chaos. To the Chaos Gods, the Warhammer World is as rich a prize as the entire Galaxy because it’s right there in their midst and, were it to fall, they could feed on it forever. Unlike the humans out in the real universe, there’s no Emperor to protect them, and the Eldar don’t have their spirit stone things. Their souls are just as delicious, but they’re much, much more vulnerable…
Snotling that's exactly what i thought, that whfb and wh40k are alternative or parallel worlds but i guess GW might have changed their mind about that:mad
Piccolo
Well, especially when 40k become more and more popular, especially for the kiddies ^^
Okay, yout theory is not bad Thommy, but I still prefer to say that Warhammer and 40K is just completly different. No Links. Not at all, nothing, just two totally different things. Okay, both has Orcs and ekf creatures and stuff, but it they are totally two different things. The Warhammerworld is planet, a Universe for itself, not just a planet or experiment world in a stupid Sci-Fi universe where every human is ruled by a corpse in a throne ^^.
And the Old Ones didn't create the Dwarfs and Elves. They were allready on the planet when the Old Ones arrived (it's said somewhere in the Lizardmen AB of the 5th edition). The Old Ones just told them "to sing" (language and kulture and so on)
Hm... and the part with the Orc spores really don't sound like a metaphor.... so Orcs are now an alien race, braught to the World.... awesome.... :~
"The Old Ones began to introduce new races to the world. […] Next came the Elves, imbued with a natural affinity for the energy wielded by the Old Ones - the energy Men call magic. The isle of Ulthuan was raised from the bed of the ocean for the Elves to live upon, and here studied magic under the tutelage of the Old Ones and the Slann. As the Elves learned how to tap into the magical energy, it became clear that they were not as resistant to the effects of magic as the Old Ones had hoped, and so were corruptible.
“With this in mind, the Old Ones introduced the race of Dwarfs. They were the balance to the Elves - sturdy, dependable and, above all, resistant to magic.”
