richard barby:
i friend of mine plaied a game the other day and was upagainst a dreadlord with 13 attacks best i can work out you can get with out the use of c of blood is 11
basic4 additionl hand weapon1 sword of bloodshed 3 rune of khaine d3 max 11
is there a spell the buffs them from there lore i haveent read it in 2 years
Thommy H:
He can’t get the benefit of an additional hand weapon while using a magic weapon, so that’s wrong for a start.
richard barby:
i know as well as the rune of khaine on a non khainite hero but both could be taken as a mistake
any other ideas ?
Thommy H:
Well if he’s already breaking rules, your question is kind of a moot point anyway isn’t it?
Also, he should just ask to see his opponent’s roster after the game. If the guy won’t show him, he’s probably cheating.
Vogon:
Not too sure but if there was a cauldron of blood close by then i think that boosts stats of nearby units/characters.
This does sound a bit off though.
Cheers
Vogon
khedyarl:
Potion of Foolheartedness, Hydrablade, in a unit of Corsairs with the Sea Serpent Banner, AND with a Battle Standard with the Hydra Banner, with a Cauldron giving him +1 attack would be 11 attacks…
So assuming he had those things (minus the corsair unit, and instead just inside a unit with the Hydra Banner), he probably just gave him the Rune of Khaine, forgetting about the Khainite rule?
Is anyone else impressed that you can give a Dark Elf lord 11 hatred attacks? I mean, their elf attacks, so they hit like pillows, but still!
EDIT: Also, to answer, no, Dark Magic doesn’t have any buffs at all in it, just hexes, direct damage and magic missiles. Maybe he was using a lore from the book with a plus attack buff?
burock:
also, none of the characteristics ever go above 10.
khedyarl:
Well don’t we look like a pack of jerks. 
I’d completely forgotten that aside from random attacks, attacks may never go above ten.
So, yeah. It doesn’t matter how he was getting there, that’s three too many regardless.
beefcake:
Unlike 3rd (2nd?) edition bloodthirsters. 10 attacks and frenzy, which used to double attacks making them have 20 attacks back then. 800 odd points though.
Discoking:
Minotaur Bloodgreed can take you above 10…
And a Mountain Chimera has 4D6 Attacks & Frenzy.
And Bloodthirsters can have the gift that makes 2D6+2 attacks…
Are all these capped at 10?
burock:
Minotaur Bloodgreed can take you above 10...It is a rule in the BRB so unless there is a special rule in the books where those creatures appear, the attacks should be capped at 10.
And a Mountain Chimera has 4D6 Attacks & Frenzy.
And Bloodthirsters can have the gift that makes 2D6+2 attacks...
Are all these capped at 10?
Discoking
Discoking:
But the Mountain Chimera is in the same book. Lol.
It must be under the rule for Random attacks.
However blood greed isn’t…
Hmmm.
Thommy H:
The BRB FAQ states that the Random Attacks special rule allows a model to roll more than 10 Attacks if that’s the number generated. Everything else us capped at 10, as far as I know. Might be worth checking the Beastmen FAQ to see if it addresses Bloodgreed though.
burock:
The BRB FAQ states that the Random Attacks special rule allows a model to roll more than 10 Attacks if that's the number generated. Everything else us capped at 10, as far as I know. Might be worth checking the Beastmen FAQ to see if it addresses Bloodgreed though.yeah Thommy H is right about the random attacks bit. It's clear in the FAQ
Thommy H
Q: When a model has a random characteristic value, 3D6 orso, random attacks are not capped at 10; but bloodgreed should be i think. there's nothing about blood greed in beastmen faq.
2D6+2 for example, can that characteristic go above 10? (p3)
A: Yes, this is an exception to the usual maximum.
BRB FAQ v1.5 page 4
Marduk:
Vampires have a gift that gives them additional attacks equal to the number of unsaved wounds they have inflicted. I don’t remember the name of the gift. This can take the total amount of attacks well above 10, or are this capped at 10?
Baggronor:
Vampires have a gift that gives them additional attacks equal to the number of unsaved wounds they have inflicted. I don't remember the name of the gift. This can take the total amount of attacks well above 10, or are this capped at 10?Red Fury. No, it isn't capped. For every wound he causes, he gets to make an additional attack, but the actual Attacks on his profile are unchanged. So if he takes the +3 Attacks sword, its a potential 16 casualties :) Even better, he can allocate Attacks against a character in base contact, then use the extra Attacks gained from killing the character to kill troopers.
so, random attacks are not capped at 10; but bloodgreed should be i think. there's nothing about blood greed in beastmen faq.A Ghorgon got into my 50 Zombies once. He had a lot more than 10 Attacks by the end of that combat...
snowblizz:
The stat may be capped but that may not have a bearing on the number of attacks a model can have or make. There are some items that allow you to attack as a response to enemy actions e.g. Ramhorn helmet which does not seem to be bound by any restrictions since they do not increase the profile as such.
Keep in mind also that the caps seem to fall under basic rules and as such would be overrules by all special rules. This is unclear to me still, I don’t want to claim that, but it’s how it seems and why the whole basic/special rules split is a bad idea to me.
Should be exceedingly rare that it becomes an issue though as few models have the base profile and ability to purchase upgrades to hit a cap.
Shimsham:
They’ll kill you 5 times before you hit the ground!
richard barby:
thanks for all the input everyone. we have got to the bottom of what happened. at first i was told he rolled the attacks then rolled the attacks for his black dragon seperate, but he didnt he had 4 for dreadlord 3 for hyrdra blade 6 for a dragon 13 all up and all at the same time so basicly it was a mistake on the order of useing attacks and giving all of them the same strength.
brotsorrow:
Thanks for clarifying what happened R.B… while reading this thread i could smell the smoke from all the hamster wheels spinning
All jokes aside, I think you guys have scared me from starting to play again vs. some of these lords…