MadHatter:
We’re having a debate atm in the club and we don’t really come up with a solution.
A Chaos Lord with Mark of Khorne takes the Wizarding Hat (being treated as a lvl 2 wizard of a random lore w. stupidity), can he then buy the Chaos Familiar as it’s well within his 50 points allowance for Chaos Gifts (Arcane Item).
Why is it okay or why is it not allowed?
Slaves will be rewarded 
Dînadan:
It’s not allowed because as soon as he puts on the hat, Khorne gets up off his throne pissed and lobs a skull at him SoM miscast style, killing the wannabe wizard before anything can happen 
MadHatter:
It's not allowed because as soon as he puts on the hat, Khorne gets up off his throne pissed and lobs a skull at him SoM miscast style, killing the wannabe wizard before anything can happen :PHahahha! Fluff-wise I very much agree but rulewise? ;)
Dînadan
gashnag:
I would say no, because while yes he is a wizard due to having the wizarding hat he is not naturally a spell caster. In the same since that if you mount a character on a monster and give him a lance if the monster dies the character can't then still use the lance when charging
We're having a debate atm in the club and we don't really come up with a solution.
A Chaos Lord with Mark of Khorne takes the Wizarding Hat (being treated as a lvl 2 wizard of a random lore w. stupidity), can he then buy the Chaos Familiar as it's well within his 50 points allowance for Chaos Gifts (Arcane Item).
Why is it okay or why is it not allowed?
Slaves will be rewarded :)
MadHatter
Vantraxx the Thrice Cursed:
Wizarding Hat item actually says “The wearer is treated as being a Level 2 Wizard who can use a randomly chosen spell lore” Key point here is “treated as being a Level 2 Wizard”. This means he channeling dice, can miscast, get sucked into the warp etc etc just like a normal wizard. It would also mean imo he would have access to arcane items like any other wizard.
Khaine magic means he can use every spell so you can save your Familiar and give him stronger items like flameing breath/soul feeder/scaly skin etc
If you want MOK wizards just run Beastmen Shammys with MOK in the LoC list. Lore of Beasts and Shadow are very strong for a combat orientated force, especially if using the Khaine spamm till you drop magic phase.
gIL^:
I played a game today against a O&G i didnt lose a model for 3 turns till foot of gork happened on me 4 times and killed 1000 points of my army. I hate magic.
MadHatter:
I would say no, because while yes he is a wizard due to having the wizarding hat he is not naturally a spell caster. In the same since that if you mount a character on a monster and give him a lance if the monster dies the character can't then still use the lance when chargingHey Gashnag!
gashnag
Wizarding Hat item actually says "The wearer is treated as being a Level 2 Wizard who can use a randomly chosen spell lore" Key point here is "treated as being a Level 2 Wizard". This means he channeling dice, can miscast, get sucked into the warp etc etc just like a normal wizard. It would also mean imo he would have access to arcane items like any other wizard.Hey Vantraxx!
Khaine magic means he can use every spell so you can save your Familiar and give him stronger items like flameing breath/soul feeder/scaly skin etc
If you want MOK wizards just run Beastmen Shammys with MOK in the LoC list. Lore of Beasts and Shadow are very strong for a combat orientated force, especially if using the Khaine spamm till you drop magic phase.
Vantraxx the Thrice Cursed
I played a game today against a O&G i didnt lose a model for 3 turns till foot of gork happened on me 4 times and killed 1000 points of my army. I hate magic.That just bad luck man x.x only time I've seen Foot of Gork in 8th was in an allied battle alongside O&G and the only ones it stomped was us!
gIL^
Bloodbeard:
Chicken or the egg really. I would say no. You take your items at the same time. Not like:
Item A gives me this, so now I count as B.
and now Item B gives me this, so I’m also counting a C.
So that would allow me to…
Anyway I would simply refuse playing a WoC player with a spell casting khorne lord.
1. WoC has it good enough without obvious douchebackery.
2. Khorne doesn’t like magic! Find a system without meaningful fluff! Like some kind of ‘we allow all kind of things, floating through space in bubbles, fighting other bubbles’ setting.
A khorne lord wearing a pointy purple star sprangled wizarding hat like some dememted Dumbledore… is he going to attach a fake unicorn horn to his juggernaught as well?
Vantraxx the Thrice Cursed:
From Arcane item summery: “Only a character with a Wizard level can carry an Arcane Item”
From Wizarding Hat Magic item: "The wearer is treated as being a Level 2 Wizard"
We can’t really pick and choose what he can and can’t do as a wizard. He randomly generates his spells before the battle so he is obviously a wizard at that point. The timing of when he is a Wizard happens before the game starts because it does not have to be activated at all like a strength potion or dispel scroll. It is a constant buff. The character is a wizard. It doesn’t say he becomes a wizard when he enters combat or when the magic phase starts. It says he is treated as being a Lv2 Wizard.
He is a Character.
The item gives him a wizard level.
He is thus a “character with a wizard level”. RAW seems pretty clear imo.
MadHatter:
Chicken or the egg really. I would say no. You take your items at the same time. Not like:In 3rd edition Beastmen shamans with the mark of khorne where rewarded with +1 to dispel in return for not casting spells, one could argue the wizarding-hat would pay itself off point-wise for a mono-khorne army just by getting more magic dice for dispelling if one does not access the unkillable tzeentch-sorcerer lord on disc with the 2+/3+ rerolls on 1's wardsave!
Item A gives me this, so now I count as B.
and now Item B gives me this, so I'm also counting a C.
So that would allow me to...
Anyway I would simply refuse playing a WoC player with a spell casting khorne lord.
1. WoC has it good enough without obvious douchebackery.
2. Khorne doesn't like magic! Find a system without meaningful fluff! Like some kind of 'we allow all kind of things, floating through space in bubbles, fighting other bubbles' setting.
A khorne lord wearing a pointy purple star sprangled wizarding hat like some dememted Dumbledore... is he going to attach a fake unicorn horn to his juggernaught as well?
Bloodbeard
From Arcane item summery: "Only a character with a Wizard level can carry an Arcane Item"I'm positive your argumentation is correct Vantraxx, otherwise a character wouldn't be able to take a lance since the steed doesn't come into play until the start of the game.
From Wizarding Hat Magic item: "The wearer is treated as being a Level 2 Wizard"
We can't really pick and choose what he can and can't do as a wizard. He randomly generates his spells before the battle so he is obviously a wizard at that point. The timing of when he is a Wizard happens before the game starts because it does not have to be activated at all like a strength potion or dispel scroll. It is a constant buff. The character is a wizard. It doesn't say he becomes a wizard when he enters combat or when the magic phase starts. It says he is treated as being a Lv2 Wizard.
He is a Character.
The item gives him a wizard level.
He is thus a "character with a wizard level". RAW seems pretty clear imo.
Vantraxx the Thrice Cursed
Baggronor:
The hat makes him a wizard in all respects, so yes he can take a Familiar. This is an entirely different topic to “Should he?” 
The hat isn’t worth 100pts anyway.
Iirc, RAW, Beastman Shamen can take MoK in Chaos Legions too.
Fluff is very malleable and everyone’s interpretation is different so I wouldn’t refuse an opponent based on fluff. For example, the hat could be a daemon that has possessed him, or something forced onto him by a hateful enemy, or a mutation that he sprouted back in his Undivided days. Or he may be a relaxed, open-minded modern Khorne worshipper, not one of those orthodox “no magic, magic items or female vicars” types
Perhaps a wizard gone Khorne Lord who uses spells has the combined frenzy (MoK) and stupidity (Hat) from the Blood God shouting in his ears all the time?If he miscasts and rolls Dimensional Cascade, he should automatically go to the Realm of Chaos for a ‘disciplinary’
Dînadan:
Fluff is very malleable and everyone's interpretation is different so I wouldn't refuse an opponent based on fluff. For example, the hat could be a daemon that has possessed him, or something forced onto him by a hateful enemy, or a mutation that he sprouted back in his Undivided days. Or he may be a relaxed, open-minded modern Khorne worshipper, not one of those orthodox "no magic, magic items or female vicars" types ;)Or he's a kleptomaniac who nicked the hat because he thinks it looks snazzy and it's not him who's casting, but the sapient hat and him and his mates interperate the spells as divine intervention by Khorne.
Baggronor
MadHatter:
Or he may be a relaxed, open-minded modern Khorne worshipperHahaha!! Milk for the Khorne-flakes!
Baggronor
Bloodbeard:
It truly is the End Times - anything goes I guess.
I would still mock that Khorne player and even if he wins - he’s the biggest loser in the game.