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Admiral:

That is a very convincing conversion formula for Hobgoblins. I dare say they look better than the original metal models, especially with all the Chaotic bits thrown in. Of course, the old ones are unarmoured and these are not, so it’s not a comparison on equal levels. The only way to decisively improve the look of the armoured Hobgoblins would be to model (and maybe cast) heads based on the old ones. Your horde is awesome, now paint it!

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Nicodemus:

I got all the bits and pieces individually from Hoard O' Bits and the The War Store (both on ebay).  they ended up being about $2.50/model-- pretty expensive, but I do like how they turned out.

ryanamandaanna
Good gravy, that's far less than you'd have been paying if they were the old metal Hobgoblins, which still average around $6-7 per model in most eBay auctions :P
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RTMaitreya:

I got all the bits and pieces individually from Hoard O' Bits and the The War Store (both on ebay).  they ended up being about $2.50/model-- pretty expensive, but I do like how they turned out.

ryanamandaanna
Good gravy, that's far less than you'd have been paying if they were the old metal Hobgoblins, which still average around $6-7 per model in most eBay auctions :P


Nicodemus
I think ryan and I have very similar definitions. We're cheapo bastages, and work wonders with small funds. $1.75 all in is still too much for me unless I can figure out a way to get extra value out of the stormvermin parts. . . . maybe some other plan.
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Groznit Goregut:

I also work with a very small fund and will be getting bits from either HoardoBits or another store.  I’m still not sure to use the Plague Monks or the StormVermin.  The Plague Monks are $15 for 20, which is cheaper.  They kind of look more like the original, too.  I was definately thinking of using my guys with 2 hand weapons and you can get cheap Plague Monk weapons, too.  Definitely cheaper.  

I asked before and didn’t get a response.  I wonder if there is a benefit to going with the armored look or the shabbier look.  People may underestimate your Hobgoblins if you use Plague Monks.  Of course, that is kind of hard to do, but with 2 hand weapons, they are pretty tough.  And near the LD bubble, they are pretty resilient.  On the other hand, making them look tougher has it’s advantages, too.  People will take them more serious and be more nervous about a unit of them.  Even a cheap unit of 20 could look scary enough to waste resources on.  

I have to admit that I just love your Hobgoblins!  The various different weapons works great.  I never thought of the other ones.  I’ll have to go look at what there is available and use them, even if I go with the Plague Monks.  The Gnoblars heads look a lot better than any of the Goblin heads that I was planning on using.  I almost wish I could see one of your models with a goblin head on it…just to see.  The beastman bow is also quite inventive. I am definitely using it!

Do you think the Stormvermin are better to use than the Isle of Blood Clan Rats?  I have heard that it takes a bit to take off the Skaven bits.  Is it about comparable to the Clan Rats?  Easier?

Oh, I think I’m going to get rid of the older, metal Hobgoblins to help pay for some of these guys. Even going to get rid of my bow guys, too!

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Groznit Goregut:

You know, before, I thought about Mantic Orcs for bodies. I got some people to take pics with Gobbo heads, but I think they could work out better with Gnoblar Heads.

Here’s a pick with Goblin heads:



You can buy 100 Orcs for $129 USD, and they come with bases, crazy looking weaopns, and eastern shields. You would just need gnoblar heads. Of course, for you lucky Brits, it’s only £75.00.

I like the Mantic ones as they seem to have a hump and will need very little work to get them ready for painting. Just get a gnoblar head! If you wanted bow ones, you would have to do some conversion and they would cost more.

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Gammal:

Glad to see I inspired people to do their hobos like I did :slight_smile:

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ryanamandaanna:

Do you think the Stormvermin are better to use than the Isle of Blood Clan Rats?  I have heard that it takes a bit to take off the Skaven bits.  Is it about comparable to the Clan Rats?  Easier?

Groznit Goregut
I haven't seen how it looks with the gnoblar head, but the clanrat body is more hunched over; more subjugated. So it really depends on what you're going for...
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zobo1942:

This kind of conversion has actually been around for a while…

http://chaos-dwarfs.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=8794&page=4

I think that maybe

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JMR:

I almost wish I could see one of your models with a goblin head on it.....just to see. The beastman bow is also quite inventive. I am definitely using it!

Do you think the Stormvermin are better to use than the Isle of Blood Clan Rats? I have heard that it takes a bit to take off the Skaven bits. Is it about comparable to the Clan Rats? Easier?

Groznit Goregut
I've done mine with Goblin and Gretchin heads. There's some pictures in my blog. I actually think Gretchin heads work best of all, but there's not too many different ones and I prefer the "eastern" or "mongol" feel some of the regular goblin heads have. I did consider converting some gretchin heads to have fur hats and then cast them up, but I couldn't be bothered in the end (I tend to make my armies far to complex as it is and I was actually looking for a straight-forward army with only a few conversions when I settled for Chaos Dwarves. Silly me.).

As for removing skaven bits, I guess it can take a bit of time, but shouldn't be too hard at all. I have decided not to bother removing anything but their tails on mine, as I wanted to do them quickly. If you just don't pick out the skaven symbols when painting, then you won't even really notice much. At least not when they're on the gaming table ;) There's also some fur on their bodies (and on the ungor arms). Again I have decided not to bother trying to remove it. I just imagine them wearing fur tunics and such underneath their armor. Lazy? Yup, but it works for me and I think it's easily justified when you plan to do 90 of 'em like I did ;p Funny thing is that I ordered those parts for 90 well over a year ago now, and I'm still at only ~30 built and about 20 painted.

The reason I chose Stormvermin bodies over Clanrats, is because I loathe mono-pose stuff. I really enjoy being able to create a nice "scene", almost a diorama when building a unit. Even more so for a unit like Hobgoblins, who should be a rag-tag mob of greenskins, not a bunch of guys standing neatly in line and marching synchronised. The more customizable the bits, the more I can mess around with them.

Also, I've used Plague Monk bodies to recreate Sneaky Gitz, which I think is the main drive behind the Plague Monk conversions you might see on these forums. As an aside; for me it proved to be smarter (financially) to just buy a box of Plague Monks instead of ordering the bits.

As for the other options, I think the Mantic orcs could work out okay too, but they'll really need one of the smaller types of heads, so Gretchin or Gnoblars. The ones posted by the OP are great as well. To me the Corsair weapons really give them a LotR Mordor feel to me. They look like they're pretty primitive themselves, but have been equipped by their dark masters with high-grade weaponry. I guess that's something that could suit a Chaos Dwarf army quite well ;)
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Groznit Goregut:

Thanks so much for the photos with the gobbo heads! They look much better than I thought they would. Hmmm…I have a ton already and I know I can get a lot cheap. Makes me wonder. There is a kind of sense in that hobgoblins are closer to Gnoblars, which are further away from Goblins. I dunno…as I’m very familiar and love the Goblin heads. I do like the mongol look, too. I wish Gretchin heads were available.

I know the Plague Monks look better for Sneaky Gits. I’m planning on using my Hobgoblins with 2 hand weapons and was thinking that look would be fine. After seeing the other, though, I’m having second doubts. I love all the weapons.

As for affordable, the Monks are actually cheaper. I can get 20 bodies for $15 and then something like 40 hands (20 sets) for a few dollars. 20 full minis for about $20.

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BeeZharr:

I’ve also gone with Stormvermin and Goblins. I’d have preferred to have used gnoblar heads, but it meant buying another box.

I imagine that there are lots of different tribes of hobgoblins, each with their own unique traits, the range being many and varied. The original models I like to think are Old World native tribes, existing in the Worlds Edge Mountains. The Dogs of War models are from tribes from the eastern steppe.

Extending this, the gnoblar heads would be hobgoblin tribes living amongst the Ogre Kingdoms, thus having evolved in a similar way to gnoblars. Those I use, I imagine to be mountain hobgoblins from the mountains bordering the Northern Wastes, descended from goblin tribes drifting eastward.

The most important things with the conversions is to pick one you like, be consistent, and as long as they’re somewhere between a goblin and an orc you’ll be alright. The hobgoblins I have at the moment will be from one tribe, but with this mindset I can easily add in another tribe if FW, or indeed GW, do release a range of hobgoblins.

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ryanamandaanna:

So here’s my prototype for the Hobgoblin wolf rider. I went ahead and gave him all the options, as its easier to tell people, “he’s not using that”. :wink:

Stormvermin body, Marauder shield, Marauder horsemen spear, beastmen bow, marauder flail (tail), warhound, gnoblar head.





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zobo1942:

That’s awesome! Have some slaves!!

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Borador:

Awesome wolfrider and hobbos, keep them coming!
Did you have to alter the stormvermin legs?

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zobo1942:

Also, as a lot of people have been curious about 'build costs, etc… do you have a calculated ‘cost per unit’ for these gnobgoblin wolfriders?

ps: I’m trying to get the term ‘gnobgoblin’ into common usuage!

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ryanamandaanna:

Did you have to alter the stormvermin legs?

Borador
No, I used the "A" sculpt, I believe, which was already split, I think B or C will also work-- only one of them is stepping.
Also, as a lot of people have been curious about 'build costs, etc... do you have a calculated 'cost per unit' for these gnobgoblin wolfriders?

zobo1942
Warhounds from here are $18.31 for 10: http://www.superherogameland.com/product_p/gaw83-07.htm

Stormvermin bodies from here are $12.99 for 10:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WARHAMMER-BITS-SKAVEN-STORMVERMIN-10x-BODIES-/330637615603?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cfb89a1f3#ht_1937wt_1163

marauder shields from here are $3.50 for 16:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WARHAMMER-BITS-CHAOS-MARAUDERS-16x-SHIELDS-/360356066199?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e6e53397#ht_980wt_1163

beastmen bows from here are $6.79 for 10:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WARHAMMER-BITS-BEASTMEN-UNGOR-HERD-10x-BOW-ARM-SETS-/370445964584?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56404cd528

Marauder spears from here are $2.95 for 5:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WFB-WOC-Chaos-Horse-Marauder-Spear-Arm-Bits-5-S-/190582675516?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5f9cd83c#ht_500wt_1180

and Gnoblar heads from here are $5.99 for 13:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WARHAMMER-BITS-OGRE-KINGDOMS-GNOBLARS-13x-GNOBLAR-HEADS-/320759465024?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aaec10440#ht_1967wt_1163

I had a lot of bits left over from my hoard and other models, so it didn't end of this amount for me, but if you got from scratch, this is about $5.35 per model, before shipping. That's about what it runs to buy Chaos Knights at retail price.
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Borador:

Ah, that quite useful to know (:

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zobo1942:

Given prices like these:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Warhammer-Fantasy-5-Chaos-Dwarf-Hobgoblin-Wolf-Riders-w-Ghazak-Khan-/250928661043?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6c838233#ht_500wt_915

You may have just saved your fellow players a bucketful of coin!

Thanks for sharing!!

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RTMaitreya:

Given prices like these:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Warhammer-Fantasy-5-Chaos-Dwarf-Hobgoblin-Wolf-Riders-w-Ghazak-Khan-/250928661043?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6c838233#ht_500wt_915

You may have just saved your fellow players a bucketful of coin!

Thanks for sharing!!

zobo1942
OMG, I have two of those in the box. Damn. $110 is a lot of scratch.
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zobo1942:

Hell yes, it is!

Thanks to your work, people who take this route can have their hobgoblins and eat, too!