[Archive] My ideas to "rebalance"� � the Destroyer, Ashstorm, and the Magma Cannon

rpitts2004:

Just direct them to chaos-dwarfs.com! Yeah I can see how that would upset you. I just ordered 60 infernal guard with shields, 20 with fireglaives, skullcracker, two magma cannons, iron daemon, deathrocket, Drazhoath, all the heroes, command x2 So yeah it is a money sink and I am all for converting and saving money but yeah that would Irk me just like it has irked you.

rpitts2004:


What's the point of even playing Warhammer that way? It's not even designed as a balanced tournament game. It's like the people who buy those books that tell you how to win the lottery, and spend time looking at what numbers have come up before, despite the fact that by definition they all have an equal chance of coming up every time.

Wanting to win at Warhammer is like wanting to be the guy who finishes his expensive steak dinner first, even though no one else is even racing him.


Thommy H
Yeah I agree, play for fun, play to enjoy it. But to just cheese out a dumb. I don't play to lose but I don't play to make people hate my army and get it banned. You should just make that other guy disappear

Barukh:

Vesh: challenge that guy to a game! Show the people in your store that he is just being rude and obnoxious, and that the Legion is not crazy in any fashion. Make him eat his very words of how cheap it is.

Baggronor:

I don't think many of you can fathom the extent at which I loathe this particular gentleman. Most of my struggle has been trying to reason with the rest of the people in the club that its not the LoA list that is broken, but rather the guy using the list is quite broken. Been gaining some foothold with that too considering his reputation in the past with the previous armies he has played.
Hasn't anyone beaten him yet? I mean, yeah, his army is pretty dirty but it's not in the realm of the serious BS armies. My local Storm Banner + 18 Gutter Runners Skaven army would do him over easily with that many war machines. Reckon my VCs would too. He is relying on those Magma Cannons to do a lot.

Veshnakar:

He’s currently only lost a couple of games but it’s been against lists of equal cheese. I’ve been surprised too because it seems to me that the list is VERY vulnerable to Purple Suns, and as you said, things like Gutter Runners or Sepulcher Stalkers that excel at taking out warmachines.

Outside of bringing fire to fight fire, I don’t know much of what I could do, outside of taking a Sorcerer Prophet on Great/Bale Taurus with lore of fire to heal the taurus/do damage, and the Daemon Flask of Ashak, hoping for the first turn, or hiding him for the second turn and flying right up to his line and BOOM nuclear explosion. Rolling 3+ will take out the magma cannons and warmachines, and the flask has an effective range of 38" with flight movement. Then just fly him back if he can survive the shooting/magic, and play support.

It’s expensive at 510 points base, without the level 4 or Bale Taurus upgrade, and no protection whatsoever minus his armor, but it should definitely work. At least once. Couple that with a 5+ ward save on the infernal guard, +2 ward on the fireborn and destroyer VS all the war machine shots (minus hellcannon), so I can just load up on those units and I’ll be good to go I think.