It all looks fairly good, but I’m confused as to why Chaos Warriors get BOTH a2 AND AS4+ to begin with…
Also, any idea whether the re-roll panic tests is removed when given a Mark of the Gods?
Will Slaaneshi units will be cheaper than, say, Tzeentchian ones? (After all, Slaanesh goes from re-roll panic to ignore psycchology, whereas Tzeentch might go from re-roll panic to re-roll panic AND +1WS…)
Goblins might be a little too hard to win with, but overall I think Warriors of Chaos is actually looking like the weakest army in a while, sure Warriors are very good when they reach combat, but w. M4 & as Nehan said, no flying unit, no skirmishers & only shooting is the hellcannon they won´t really be all that good, probably marchblocked until the very last turn in which the opponent will be the one choosing who the warriors gets to fight, not that great for 15 pts per model imo. Besides when there are knights, Ogres w. Chaos Armour & forsaken w. M6 I doubt warriors will be the heavyhitters of the chaos armies, & well w. marauders being 9 points cheaper per model when fully armoured I can´t see warrior fulfilling the role of static CR either so warriors will probably be an underused unit just like in 6:th edition…
Hounds not causing panic, now that´s something that is good, shrine sounds nice as well, but is it enough to fight gunlines, invospamming VC or ASF elves? I doubt it, but only time will tell.
Mark of Nurgle at last sounds nice, with -1WS/BS. I suppose Nurgle Marauder Horsemen will be greatly popular, and Nurglesque armies will become a nightmare to TKs (6s to hit, anyone?).
I hope that at last chaos infantry will be effective enough to be used. After finishing chaos dwarfs I’m going for Hordes of Stinking Rot Chaos. Such a nice field for conversions!
Will someone please tell me why they’ve stripped the army of anything that can deal with march blockers. All you can take to deal with them is sorcerers - oh look thats a Khorne theme shot up the boar centaur. Tzeentch, oh look no sorcerer/wizards. Hasn’t that been the main premise of Tzeentch fluff for years? Why yes AGPO it has! What’s next? Nugle armies sponsored by Clearasil or a Slaaneshi special character who’s signed up to the Silver Ring Thing?
After splitting our armies in two GW, why not give us the chance to keep using our nice, themed armies dedicated to one god? Please, it couldn’t hurt right?
Nehan: True, but they only had furies, dragons, discs and screamers that could fly in the last incarnation, without the Hellcannon. I didn’t take any of those anyway and at 14pts it seemed fine. I would give them shields, so they’d technically have 4+ against shooting and 3+ in combat, but I wasn’t talking pointswise. I was meaning as my mainstay units.
Thommy H, that’s only if you paid an extra 6 points to make them Chosen. Otherwise, it was A1 and AS5+, before upgrades.
snyggejygge: They do look somewhat weaker… I think mostly because of their points (daemons are the same points, only better…). As for the M4 etc, I’ve never had a problem with it so far. Also, I use Chaos Warriors as all of my core, really. Yes, they will be good to use as hard hitters, but the Warriors weren’t intended to be hard hitters. They were meant to be capable anchors and the marauders the fodder, much like Chaos Dwarfs and Hobgoblins.
Sure. I’m just pointing out that Chaos Warriors getting a buff is not without precedent - this is a return to their previous power level, not just some out-of-the-blue upgrade.
Ditto, won’t panic until I read the book. The army as a whole might not be as bad as it seems when the units and characters are viewed as a combined whole.
They still have lots of nice new miniatures for me to paint (not sure if that’s good news or not…)
Thommy H, it seems unprecedented to me, purely, because I wasn’t playing before 6th edition.
I’ve seen the models in WD for myself now and they look better than I thought. My main problem is that I’ll still want to field my old marauder horsemen with the new ones, but they won’t fit together very well…
Oh well
I’m tempted to carry on using the old list (maybe a 1pt/model reduction armywide to keep up with the powercreep) against friends, but I’ll have to wait and see the definite list first.
Wulfric the wanderer, sounds like a marauder champion maybe? Looks like a pretty good spearhead, would be interested to see what those hounds look like close-up
Edit; I found a big pic. The warriors look really good, can’t wait to see these guys!