I never had the chance to play chaos dwarves, i havent play warhammer in like 5 years or longer…
I decided to come back (I always collected models since i loved paint more than playing) since i started to collect some miniatures, and now i wanted to know what i was able to do with something like it (ofc i have to add a lot)
So far i have a great hero on taurus, 10 infantry and im waiting to recieve
1 hellcannon
2 mortars + 2 rockets
and 3 deamon smiths.
i planned already to buy some hobgoblins on wolf (i never saw any list with them on foot) and 3 kdaai.
Can anyone give me a little tip of what can i pull up with it?
Because i never played them im more than ok even to a friendly list.
I think you should start a low point level like 1500. At this point level you could play:
1 deamonsmith lore of death lvl 2 dispell scroll
1 deamonsmith lore of metal/fire lvl 1-2
1-2 khans on wolf
25-30 infernal guards with H&S, FC, glemming pennant
2 rockets
1 hellcanon
1x or 2x3 bull centaurs with shield or GW and musician
I think you should be near 1500 pts with this kind of list. I would avoid kdai fireborns at low point level. Because of their self-destructing rule (start of turn 2: T test, when failed (1/3 fail prob) then you loose 1D3 wound) they need to be played in 7+ unit size. In my opinion the kdai destroyer is more competitive than the fireborns.
I think you should start a low point level like 1500. At this point level you could play:
1 deamonsmith lore of death lvl 2 dispell scroll
1 deamonsmith lore of metal/fire lvl 1-2
1-2 khans on wolf
25-30 infernal guards with H&S, FC, glemming pennant
2 rockets
1 hellcanon
1x or 2x3 bull centaurs with shield or GW and musician
I think you should be near 1500 pts with this kind of list. I would avoid kdai fireborns at low point level. Because of their self-destructing rule (start of turn 2: T test, when failed (1/3 fail prob) then you loose 1D3 wound) they need to be played in 7+ unit size. In my opinion the kdai destroyer is more competitive than the fireborns.
Spencer
Thanks this is a nice start, can i ask few questions?
the Khans are just the single heroes running alone by themself on the wolf, right? why this? how can that be a solid decision?
and second thing, what is the base used for the bullcentaurs? it is the new forgeworld one or still the old classic "horse" one?
because i have to buy them from mantic games and they are the small one
as i said im out of warhammer for a really long time (plus i'm italian) , could you please not use short words? Like in the infernal guards, H+S mean 1hweapon and shield? fc what is it?
ps i asked 2,5k because of local tournaments 1 per month with swedish rules
Look up videos on what chaff is and how to chaff that is the solo Hobgoblin in khan main purpose. Additionally taking khan is not necessary and usually comes down to how many points do you have left and what you are willing to sacrifice to get the khans. To put it in perspective every khan is one less bull centaur or kadaii in your army so if you are focusing on a large Combat unit of those then taking khans is likely unfeasible.
Bull centaurs are to be based on the new forgeworld ones or 50mm wide by 75mm long.
1. The khans on wolf are use very often as chaff-unit by chaos dwarf players. They are very mobile with M9 and can buy you some precious time when needed
2. 50x75 is the official base size for the bull centaurs (FW do give these bases with their models). if mantic doesn’t send you the correct bases you can just buy the bases you want in your local GW shop.
I’m not so familiar with swedish comp. I think it depends on the comp level you want to target with your list. To be honest it is probably not the best way to get back into warhammer. You should take some time to start with small fights and then upgrade to 2k5 fights. When you will be familiar with your army and the point level then you can start some tests with swedisch comp rules.
I started warhamer approx 1 year ago and that’s the way I did to become after a few months a regular tournament player. I think it’s a good way to not get frustrated in your early tournaments. Don’t forget that the people who are going there have a lot of experience (games vs all others armies, rules’ knowledge, past tournaments, …). So my advice would be: take your time! enjoy the game first and then you can prepare yourself for tournaments!
I would either buy the new centaurs or convert some out of the new dragon ogre models. To do the latter you would need to sculpt hooves, noses, and beards.
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i planned already to buy some hobgoblins on wolf (i never saw any list with them on foot) and 3 kdaai.
Hobgoblins are also great on foot :).
This are the cheapest core units chaos dwarfs can have. If you want something to put on the table before deploying your important stuff they are great.
You also can delay enemy units if you rank them deep and keep them near your battle standard and general. You can also delay enemies with khans on wolf or wolf riders, but they are not core.
I would either buy the new centaurs or convert some out of the new dragon ogre models. To do the latter you would need to sculpt hooves, noses, and beards.
sam585
Unfortunatly i never sculpted anything in my life, i dont really have the time for it not the possibility to waste models creating something not good.
Im not great fan of those models, but they are the only one affordable:
http://www.manticgames.com/ImageCache/Products/2245.1.1000.1000.FFFFFF.0.jpeg
I was planning to use the heads of those other ones instead:
http://russian-alternative.ru/images/cms/data/19_the_dwarves_of_fire_canyon_with_great_weapon/dsc04658.jpg
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i planned already to buy some hobgoblins on wolf (i never saw any list with them on foot) and 3 kdaai.
Hobgoblins are also great on foot :).
This are the cheapest core units chaos dwarfs can have. If you want something to put on the table before deploying your important stuff they are great.
You also can delay enemy units if you rank them deep and keep them near your battle standard and general. You can also delay enemies with khans on wolf or wolf riders, but they are not core.
And hobgoblins look cool :h.
TheHoodedMan
i planned for them:
http://www.manticgames.com/ImageCache/Products/2254.1.1000.1000.FFFFFF.0.jpeg
bowmen models are even cheaper, and those for wolfriders:
http://www.manticgames.com/ImageCache/Products/2844.1.1000.1000.FFFFFF.0.jpeg
I guess hobs go always with bows, right?
Ps i still didnt get it, im sorry, but khans are just normal heroes right? So the idea is to send singular models on wolf around? Or can i group them in units together?
Welcome to the place. You are waiting on some very nice warmachines there. What you really need is more core units.
When you play games of warhammer at least 25% of the list must be core: infernal guard or hobgoblins. I’ve played (and won) without hobgoblins for two years now. Because I want painted models - and you have to make so many hobgoblins.
A unit of 25 infernal guard will get you a long way.
Mantic make some nice affordable miniatures and many of their sculpts are really great. But! The Mantic goblins are some of the worst models around. Very visible mould lines, bad fitting, hard to make out details when painting. If going for cheap, I would find some cheap used games workshop goblins.
K’daai are awesome, great models - but they won’t work unless you bring 6 of them in a unit.
If you browse the armylist section of the forum there are some swedish comp lists around. I don’t know the system myself.
Welcome to the place. You are waiting on some very nice warmachines there. What you really need is more core units.
When you play games of warhammer at least 25% of the list must be core: infernal guard or hobgoblins. I've played (and won) without hobgoblins for two years now. Because I want painted models - and you have to make so many hobgoblins.
A unit of 25 infernal guard will get you a long way.
Mantic make some nice affordable miniatures and many of their sculpts are really great. But! The Mantic goblins are some of the worst models around. Very visible mould lines, bad fitting, hard to make out details when painting. If going for cheap, I would find some cheap used games workshop goblins.
K'daai are awesome, great models - but they won't work unless you bring 6 of them in a unit.
If you browse the armylist section of the forum there are some swedish comp lists around. I don't know the system myself.
Bloodbeard
Are thei goblins really so bad? They looked much better than GW for me, especially looking after the mantic "wolf"
for the kdaai i tought to use them:
http://www.manticgames.com/ImageCache/Products/3452.1.1000.1000.FFFFFF.0.jpeg
So you are suggesting to buy 6 of them eventually?
I saw many diferent lists at 2.5k (my final goal) so because of this i still dont have any idea of what is good and what is less, especially because i never played chaos dwarves before.