Grimstonefire:
Rumour I read over at Da Warpath is that there might be some sort of GW event or mini campaign to do with the Empire and Dark Elves, as both have new minis coming out.
I could see a Medusa style thing though, with new things released for most armies.
I will report more if I hear anything.
dedwrekka:
Rumour I read over at Da Warpath is that there might be some sort of GW event or mini campaign to do with the Empire and Dark Elves, as both have new minis coming out.Time to ally with the orcs again?
I could see a Medusa style thing though, with new things released for most armies.
I will report more if I hear anything.
Grimstonefire
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Kera foehunter:
Duck and cover!! not another gw campaign!!! unless the do a good one like soc!!
Kera waits and see what will happen
Swissdictator:
If Chaos Dwarf are part of the campaign I will do my best to serve Hashut!
Otherwise I will be torn between Empire, Druchii, or Nurgle Demons.
Here’s to hoping Chaos Dwarfs are in it! :cheers
Ubertechie:
Is it worth bombarding Jervis, Phil Kelly et al with requests to have us included ?
Grimstonefire:
Is it worth bombarding Jervis, Phil Kelly et al with requests to have us included ?Not until we know for certain if there is going to be something. If anyone happens to spot anything on this post it here.
Ubertechie
Groznit Goregut:
Actually, I think it was me who posted it on Da Warpath to Wissenlander. I sometimes go over to Warhammer-Empire.com and check out the Empire site. I’ve read there that since there are suppose to be a number of Empire and Dark Elf new minis coming out, GW might be doing some sort of mini campaign that revolves around those two. That’s about all I know, though. It seems that even Da Warpathers were a bit surprised by it.
I have heard that GW campaigns suffer from the law of diminishing returns. The more that they have put into them equates to them sucking more. Many people (at least on Da Warpath) thought the Storm of Chaos sucked. The whole Grimgor thing was stupid and most OnG tend to hate Grimgor (especially after that). I don’t really know anyone who liked the Nemesis Crown campaign, either.
Anyways, someone posted (on W-E) that they chatted with a GW guy who said that GW feels fans do a better campaign than GW does and people tend to be happier with them more.
cornixt:
As long as GW doesn’t make them out to be history-changing events (and of course they generally aren’t), I think the fans would be okay with them. It’s the whole “You decide the fate of…” when we blatently don’t and they get skewed by people cheating anyway. A summer event is a good excuse to do something with your army, try new rules, build new scenery, etc, and nothing more.
Fan events have been better simply because they will never change anything in Warhammer history and don’t claim to.
dedwrekka:
Do Albion again. Well, not specifically Albion, but something like it. Out of the way, everyone is involved, and it’s not a world changing event. There were also some good prizes involved.
If they do a summer campaign around Dark elves and the Empire, it’ll probably be as small as or smaller than Lustria, you get a book, a couple of nice lists, nothing else happens with it.
Groznit Goregut:
Who says you will get a book out of it? They didn’t do anything like that for the Nemesis Crown. No special lists. No book. If it was a mini campaign, I don’t think there would be anything new.
wallacer:
Figuring out how to tie Empire in with DE would be an interesting challenge. Maybe make it a naval campaign where DE are mounting Viking-style raids on the coastline of the Empire?
It’ll be interesting to see what they do.
Grimstonefire:
I agree Dedwrekka, do Return to Albion and let the real winners decide who wins. If it falls to chaos, so be it.
They would need to do a lot of mathematical work behind the scenes with global modifiers, potentially also faction modifiers, to try and get people on as level a playing field as possible so that theoretically anyone could win.
Until they do these things, it’s pointless them doing another campaign unless it has the under dog factions with a head start in objectives.
The fact that they cannot be bothered to ask their customers for suggestions/ a plan, is just wrong. Put together a council from each of the major forums and we could come up with something 1000x cooler than what GW did. The Warvault fluff council was evidence enough of this, hence why Andy used us so much.
I actually liked the Nemesis campaign as far as recent ones went, but in terms of inter-forum relationships it wasn’t always fun.
Kera foehunter:
Quite teasing me wallacer!!! Like Gw would do something at sea!!
Swissdictator:
Well here’s a thought…
Have a summer event that might not have a major impact on the storyline of the universe… heck… maybe just make it a generic campaign to see who comes out on top.
Have some alternate lists, not for every army, but for those waiting to be updated. This will allow some armies who badly need an update coughChaos Dwarfscough to have an official list to use until they get their book updated… upon which that alternate list is either obsolete, or no longer desirable to play as. Again, not every army, but perhaps a few that really need the quick fix.
Grimstonefire:
I actually quite liked the SoC in principle. The idea of using highly characterful variant lists was quite good I thought. The only problem GW had was that they pushed it too much, by failing to deny clearly and quickly that the variant armies would never be supported again.
If they were to do this again on that scale, they should design them to be extreme versions of possible combinations that already exist within the book. For instance:
"If you are playing a X campaign game, the following rules supersede that of the Dwarf army book
Trollslayers are 2 points cheaper per model, and become unlimited special
Dragon Slayers may carry the Battle standard
Gyrocopters are 2-for-1 and may be armed with blast charges (see miners entry) etc"
So make it clear that it’s just a different way of playing with your existing army. They would of course release some new models to replace old ones.
That way there’s no recriminations about them promoting sales for something that won’t be supported, and they get to have fun with the variant builds.
Swissdictator:
Very good point Grim, very good point indeed.
Yes, making it a list that fits closely to current lists, would keep it relatively sane and allow people to play those list with little to no investment. It’s one thing if they might have to buy a single box of troops they’d happily use… people can deal with that.
Going along with what you said: Perhaps use the campaign as a mass playtest for the coming list (again, keeping it in line with what you’re saying)?
dedwrekka:
Who says you will get a book out of it? They didn't do anything like that for the Nemesis Crown. No special lists. No book. If it was a mini campaign, I don't think there would be anything new.We got special characters. Though you're right in one part. Nemesis crown was a minor campaign, but it was a minor internet based campaign. I was thinking that it'd be a minor un-supported campaign. No internet forums set up for it, no big map on a website, just a few addendum lists and a setting with some scenarios.
Groznit Goregut
Figuring out how to tie Empire in with DE would be an interesting challenge. Maybe make it a naval campaign where DE are mounting Viking-style raids on the coastline of the Empire?Seems most likely. We already know the Dark Elves capture a lot of human slaves, so it wouldn't be difficult for them to come up with a simple scenario based campaign or book for it. Something like the Planetfall book was rumored for 40k.
It'll be interesting to see what they do.
wallacer
WoodenPickles:
Navel battles sound very interesting. Daemon stuff should be coming out this summer has well. maby the cult of slaanesh will come back. How would navel battles work on the table.
Groznit Goregut:
What I expect from a “mini-campaign” from GW that involves the DE and Empire is something like a plot around a small portion of the world. It wouldn’t be about large armies marching. I would expect that the only armies that could participate would be Empire and Dark Elves. You could easily have it in Norsca and both powers are trying to reach something first. Maybe there is a magical incident and whoever gets there first gets to bend it to their will or something. With that type of an event, I wouldn’t expect new lists. I figure special characters and that’s it.
Now, that’s just how I figure it would go. I would LOVE for it to be more, especially if it gave an updated CD list.
As for internet campaigns, I think the Animosity Team is going to kick off another campaign soon. Goomb has been making rumblings over at Da Warpath. Personally, I thought the Crisis in Marienburg was awesome and wished that I had more of a chance to play in it. I would really like to get something going to get the local club involved.