first of all, i am not quite sure if army lists of other armies are supposed to go here, or in the army list section. if it is supposed to be in the army list section, please tell me for future reference.
My local GW is doing a campaign where we build up a new army, starting at 200 points and going up to 2000. I created my final 2000 point list as a reference, and was wondering what you all thought about and if you think it is good or bad.
Vampires army list- 2000 points
Lord
Vampire lord- 395 points
Level 4 caster
Master of the black arts
Summon ghouls
The cadaverous cuirass
Crown of the damned
Skull staf
Heroes
Vampire- 165 points
Blade of blood
Dread knight
Wight king- 145 points
Barded steed
The black axe of Krell
Vampire- 150 points
Spectral form
Core
3 units of 10 crypt ghouls- 240 points
Special
10 black knights w/ full command on barded steeds and with standard of hellish vigour- 345 points
Rare
5 blood knights w/ full command and royal standard of Strigos- 360 points
If you’re sure you want to go for the Black Knight ‘Bus’ squadron, give the Wight King the Drakenhof Banner, the knights will draw a lot of fire from your opponent, and you want the lord’s raising dice to go into the ghouls not the knights.
Drop Crown of the Damned, a Stupid wizard casts no spells and will stop his unit moving properly too. On average he will fail the stupidity once every game, that is once too many for a ward save that he should rarely, if ever, have to use. he is there to cast, not to fight, at least with this set up.
You are also overpointing on his magic items: Skull staff plus Crown is ok, the Cuirass pushes him over 100pts. Its 100pts of items and 100pts of powers max. I would get the Helm of Commandment instead of the Crown, it is possibly the best item in the game. The lord can hide at the back, he should be quite safe. Also swap Dark Acolyte for Forbidden Lore (so lvl 3 with 5 dice and all spells), that way you are guaranteed VanHels Danse Macabre. It wins games.
The 2 Vampire Heroes are badly set up and are not worth the points as they are. I would go for 1 fighting vampire with Dreadknight, Walking Death and Book of Arkhan if he is to lead the Blood Knights (although they do not need his help), and a necromancer with scroll/power stone and VanHels Danse. Alternatively, the Vampire would be better used leading infantry/scouting and running around with Talisman of the Lycni smacking war machines and skirmishers. Infinite Hatred/Walking Death is good in this role.
Start with at least 1 unit of ghouls larger than 10. 10 can be destroyed in 1 turn of shooting easily. Consider Grave Guard, they are monstrously hard, especially when combined with the Helm of Commandment/VanHels. With the Skull Staff you can raise them back on a 3+ too.
Get some wolves/bats or the Blood Knights’ frenzy will be a right pain to control. They can go for war machines too, so the knights can go for juicier targets.
first of all, i am not quite sure if army lists of other armies are supposed to go here, or in the army list section. if it is supposed to be in the army list section, please tell me for future reference.
My local GW is doing a campaign where we build up a new army, starting at 200 points and going up to 2000. I created my final 2000 point list as a reference, and was wondering what you all thought about and if you think it is good or bad.
Vampires army list- 2000 points
Lord
Vampire lord- 395 points
Level 4 caster
Master of the black arts
Summon ghouls
The cadaverous cuirass
Crown of the damned
Skull staf
Heroes
Vampire- 165 points
Blade of blood
Dread knight
Wight king- 145 points
Barded steed
The black axe of Krell
Vampire- 150 points
Spectral form
Core
3 units of 10 crypt ghouls- 240 points
Special
10 black knights w/ full command on barded steeds and with standard of hellish vigour- 345 points
Rare
5 blood knights w/ full command and royal standard of Strigos- 360 points
4 cairn wraiths- 200 points
thanks for all advice:hat off
Karak
Having played Vampires for years, I felt compelled to read this.
I've never really played them magic heavy, but you're running it right in that aspect. Skull Staff is a nice little helper there on the Lord, it adds up quickly especially on casting... especially the Ghouls (still need a min 3 to cast, but makes it can really draw out the dispell dice)!
Blade of Blood? I'm not seeing that in my book. Do you mean Blood-drinker? If so, I do love that item paired with Red-Fury and/or Infinite Hatred.
for the Wight King, while Black Axe is awesome... I much prefer the Swords of Kings... as Killing Blow is *fun*. Plus it's a lot cheaper and can free up other points. Plus a GW isn't so beneficial on a mounted dude.
Are you planning on using the final vamp to support the Wraiths? If this was 2250 I could justify it, but at 2000 I'd rather drop him and get some other stuff... or keep him and give the ghoul march power and either some armor or a supporting vamp power (Infinite Hatred?)
I like the Ghouls, with your caster being able to cast 8 times with +2... you should buff these quickly. I likey.
If you're putting the mounted WK in the Black Knights (my personal preference) you could reduce them in size by 1 and still be effective.
If you really want to be evil drop the banner on the Black Knights, move Strigos to the Black Knights. Give the banner of the Dead Legion to the Blood Knights. Yeah, it's nasty. I love it. Works regardless of where you put the Wight King.
I've recently seen the beauty of Cairn Wraits in the new book, nice. I like it.
Overall I like it, it sounds like you could really go with a cool Strigoi theme or Strigoi/Blood Dragon theme.
First of all, the reason i dont take zombies is that there is no point. They are 4 points per model, and i can just keep summoning new units. The reason that i did not take skellies is that they are the same points as crypt ghouls, and they are not as good. crypt ghouls have a higher toughness, higher attacks, and poison. the only thing skellies got is command and armour. The reason i did not take grave guard is that i felt like spicing up my army with a new unit i never took, hense the black knights.
when I took the knights, i had the hope that they would draw fire. All of my knights have a 2+ armour save, so there will probably be no need to spend 125 points on a a banner for regeneration. I have been thinking of dropping crown of the damned, and my magic items do exceed 100 points, and that will need to be fixed. I will probably also give me lord a steed. The vampire that goes with my blood knights MUST be taken, from experiance he is very useful. I probably will drop the other vampire adn make my army more magic orientated, which was my initial plan. I may incrase the value of one of the ghoul units, but the problem is that I want to have my army cheap on the core, and amazing on the special and rare. With a unit of blood knights, I sohuld be able to destroy anything and everything, as I have had with experiance. I may get some frenzy blockers, but any unit that goes against the blood knights dies that turn, and then the blood knights can kill what ever they want next. If i make a full movement at the start of the game, I will probably be able to charge anyone I want anyways. I also may put in a banshee, but they are weak and a 25 point upgrade, but the howl is awsome.
the blade of blood thing was a typo, i meant the blood drinker. I may par it with a vampiure ability, but keep in mind i do have dread knight, so i can only take a 25 point one. I also may switch out the black axe for sword of kings, but that is also assuming that I take a wight king in my new army list I am going to put together. I also plan on reducing the size of the black knights, I did not catch that before I put up the post. I dont really plan on moving the banners around because they are there for a specific purpose. I have the standard on the blood knights to maek them able to absolutley destroy everything that they come into combat with, and the black knights have that banner so that they can always be on the move.
When I initially made this list, I planned on making it extremely magic heavy, but I may end up making it a strigos list now, but I have trouble parting with my blood knights. I will post up a new list when I finish it, and thank you all for the input so far :hat off
